[PeriwinkleBlue]

I don't see where she asked for advice - merely posted an update on the horse she plans to buy.
However, we do feel concerned about her and we care about her, which is why a lot of folks have posted comments cautioning her not to rush in.
I didn't see a single rude comment until Tiffany herself got pissed off because we weren't saying what she wanted to hear.
I don't have any advice, but I think she might be rushing it somewhat. It took me a solid three years before I got up the courage to get another horse. I'm glad I waited - if I hadn't, I wouldn't have my beautiful filly now.
Tiff, just be careful. Don't take everything your trainer says for granted - unless she's doing it all out of the goodness of her heart and she's not making a penny off the deal.
I wish you luck in whatever you decide, and I hope neither you or the horse gets hurt.
Halcyon

[fleur]

sorry, i completely agree with the people who say you do NOT need a six-year old thoroughbred. just based on the pictures you've posted of you riding an older appy, I really wonder how you will cope with a six-year old thoroughbred. well, i guess if your heart is set on him then by all means go at it.

*sigh* it's times like these that i really, really wish i could afford to have a horse http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...ilies/sigh.gif

[hitchinmygetalong]

For those of you who say Tiffany is "rushing it" - need I remind you that another person on this board, one whom we all respect, bought another horse not too terribly long after her beloved horse was euthanized? That same person has told Tiffany here on this board to "go for it!"

No one sat down and told that person that maybe she might be rushing it.

Now, I'm certainly not suggesting this is the same situation. What I AM saying is that Tiffany did NOT ask for your advice and you can all sit there and type away until your fingers fall off, all you will accomplish is to upset her. If that's your goal, you should be ashamed. If it's not, if you truly want to "be her friend" then please, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

"I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship."
-Louisa May Alcott

[PortraitPainter]

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All I'm giving is my own experience.

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[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hitchinmygetalong:
if you truly want to "be her friend" then please, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Being a friend doesn't mean always telling someone what they want to hear. It means telilng the truth. I've been following this story, it doesn't add up, and I think it is a bad situation. I shouldn't be ashamed of myself for saying so.

Tiffany and her parents and her trainer are free to do whatever they want, as I am free to express my concern for this purchase. I'm not going to support what I feel is a bad decision because someone only wants to hear from people who always agree with her.

The people who care about you are the people who tell you the truth, they're not the people who always tell you what you want to hear.

And this is my final word on this thread:

Good luck, TIffany. I hope whatever happens you wind up with a great horse.

[Scuttle]

I think everyone has the right to say what they think, and I understand where the people are coming from that are saying maybe Tiffany should rethink this...BUT...

It's hard to get the whole story through a typed message. Everything means something different to someone else. Maybe the "starved" meant his owners couldn't afford to take care of him anymore and he wasn't in shape? who knows! As for the rushing it thing - sometimes the best medicine is filling the hole. Some people need to move on right away and have something else to love. From seeing many people loose their animals at work, and many personal friends...lots of people are helped the most by finding a new friend to love. And no, it doesn't replace the old one, but for some people it's the best thing. Maybe Tiffany just needs to have a horse, her horse, and just riding a barn horse wouldn't be enough. We can't tell through her messages. She's the only one that knows that, and her parents and trainer probably have a pretty good idea too. (I also like to think the best of people - as in, Tiffany's trainer is trying to help her out and not make money off of this.)

So I say, yup, most TBs I know are pretty hot most of the time. There is one that is an angel..but that's one, out of the 10+ I can think of right now. Maybe this one is one of the sweeties. Please be careful Tiffany, and don't do this if you aren't sure it'll work out. If you are sure though, go for it. Nobody here can stop you.



-Kelly

[FionaJ]

I bought an 8 year old TB gelding who had been starved. When I tried him he was quiet and jumped well. I had come off a horrible injury caused by a run away. Within 6 months of good feeding the horse was completely different. Because he felt good, his manners--or at that point lack of--his training, and his entire demeanor changed. He was hot, he would rear and throw himself over backwards. I was a B level Pony Club rider and found a top rate trainer and it still took over 2 years to civilize him. He ended up being great--never 100% reliable and certainly not something I would ever buy today. I learned a great deal, but I would not do it again, nor would I ever advise anyone else to--especially someone with limited experience. I don't mean that as a critisism, but I had ridden numerous difficult and green horses before this guy that did give me a foundation. That is not to say that this potential mount will end up hot and unmanageable, but why set yourself up to fail--there are just too many nice horses out there.

[Lord Helpus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PeriwinkleBlue:
I don't see where she asked for advice - merely posted an update on the horse she plans to buy.

I didn't see a single rude comment until Tiffany herself got pissed off because we weren't saying what she wanted to hear.
I don't have any advice, but I think she might be rushing it somewhat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is some of the most incredible rationalizing I have had the pleasure of reading on this BB. You acknowledge that she didn't ask for advice -- but seem to think that, if people jumped all over her for making a selection they did not approve of, she was WRONG in fighting back? And telling her that she is rushing the decision is NOT advice? What is it? Approval? Criticism?

Re-read her first post: She NEVER asked for advice at all! She was updating people on her decision.

IMO, all future posts should have come under the heading of "If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all". Should a close personal friend have felt the need to comment, then that was better done via PT or email.

I do not know Tiffany. Is she under 16 years old? Is she intellectually challenged? Or is there another reason why BB'ers feel that they have the right to outright DISS her announcement -- one which was made in a positive and upbeat manner?

Had that happened to me, I would not have been as gracious as she has been.

Sometimes this BB thinks that normal rules of courtesy and kindness do not apply here.

I say, Tiffany --- you go girl! If you have owned a horse before and have made your selection of your next horse, with your trainer's advice and approval, then don't you listen to any of these know-it-alls. And above all, don't feel the need to apologize. It is they who should be apologizing to you.

And, if it is a bad decision, well, that is how we learn. Right?

[baileygreyhorse]

Gosh, I can't believe I'm going to get into this. But...
Anyway, Tiff, I saw your thread on the horse care board.Tendon question Does Bennie have a possible soundness issue? Please, *please*, be careful. I truly do not know what you have gone through and I have not walked in your shoes. I would hate to see you get your heart broken again by rushing to purchase a horse that might not be *the one*. Just think, what if *the one* was the next on the list and you didn't give him a chance? Keep your options and your eyes wide open. Just my unsolicited thoughts.

http://community.webshots.com/user/pnekman

[PeriwinkleBlue]

There's one major difference between Coreene/Oliver and Tiffany/Bennie. That is that Coreene and Oliver were a perfect match for each other. Coreene has a clear understanding of her skill level and her ability to handle this new youngster, and has much more experience overall.
Tiffany is young and inexperienced and is taking on a starvation case which could turn out very badly.
I am NOT being mean by saying that she should wait - I simply don't want her to get hurt. I wish her luck with whatever she decides and I hope and pray no one gets hurt.
If they survive each other, then who knows? Maybe they can grow into a fabulous team. But the first months to a year is going to be rough, and I'm honestly worried about her.
And that's all I have to say, since my opinion is obviously not the popular one, and therefore I'm being "negative" and "hurtful" to express it.

[PeriwinkleBlue]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>IMO, all future posts should have come under the heading of "If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all". Should a close personal friend have felt the need to comment, then that was better done via PT or email. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right, maybe we should have just kept our mouths shut. And I am sorry that Tiffany feels that everyone is jumping on her. Speaking for myself here, since I can't speak for anyone else, I am NOT being a "know-it-all" who is "outright DISSING her announcement". I am merely expressing my concern for her well-being.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And telling her that she is rushing the decision is NOT advice? What is it? Approval? Criticism? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's my OPINION. I am allowed to have one, right? I didn't tell her not to buy the horse, I merely told her to be careful. Why am I the one that's suddenly the evil-doer here? I have been nothing but polite and careful in my comments. I don't want to hurt Tiffany, but obviously expressing an opposite viewpoint to hers and cautioning her to go slowly at this is construed as mean and hurtful.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And, if it is a bad decision, well, that is how we learn. Right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely. I, and the others here with a dissenting view on this, simply don't want her to "learn" by ending up in the hospital over this.

Tiffany! If this is the horse for you, if you and Bennie (is it Bennie or Beanie?) are made for each other, than I am SO HAPPY FOR YOU! I just worry that things will not turn out all sunshine and roses, and I don't want you to get hurt. So GOOD LUCK and I hope everything turns out great for you!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

[MdLib]

You guys just don't quit -

Tiffany is 20, and has been riding for quite a few years, according to her previous posts. I have seen the pics of her riding, and they were fine. I think it's getting a little personal, we don't know the entire story.

[Lord Helpus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hitchinmygetalong:
then please, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, Hitch -- I guess that must be a phrase we'all in Lexington, Ky must use a lot. I was typing it even as you were posting. I am going to make it my signature for a bit....

[Faded Dreams]

His name is BEANIE BOP and yes he tore the extensor tendon in his knee but he's sound and can jump fine SO thats WHY we are HAVING the VET out to LOOK at it and shes WHAT SHE thinks of it. WE....my mom dad trainer thinks its just SCAR TISSUE. the VET hopes so to. So IF he PASSES then we are gonna GET him provided there is NOTHING wrong with HIM.

Tiffany

*founder of the Appendix QH clique*

*member of the Mighty TB clique *

[BoldChance]

Tiffany,

When was he starved? What is his weight like right now?

Sorry to harp on this...but... I was (and apparently will be again starting this week) working with a lovely TB gelding who came in a hatrack... He was not ridden for a month, and even then when people started working him, he was really calm and quiet and GOOD. Now, as he's not only put on weight and gotten good food in him that has increased his energy by twentyfold, but also developped more muscle and fitness which has increased his ability to USE that energy. His stride has changed and he's developed more spring, bounce, and ability to do some pretty funky things just because he feels good.

And yes, this has included some bucks, some bounces, some really funny squeal-kick-scoots, head tossing, and just general brattiness. When he wants to, he can also FLY.

If Beanie is currently thin and if his nutrition is currently not what it should be, please just be aware that he WILL change as his health and condition improves. He may well change in a way that is not detrimental, he may not become too much horse, but there always is the possibility that he might, and nobody can predict it ahead of time.

In all honesty, the horse in my life is such a sweetheart that I wouldn't have thought he'd have it in him to put a foot wrong. But, now that he feels healthy and GOOD, he rather enjoys doing so http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

Good luck with him, if you get him I really do hope he works out and is everything you want. And do post pictures!

BC

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[Tap2Tango]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumperStar*:
His name is BEANIE BOP and yes he tore the extensor tendon in his knee but he's sound and can jump fine SO thats WHY we are HAVING the VET out to LOOK at it and shes WHAT SHE thinks of it. WE....my mom dad trainer thinks its just SCAR TISSUE. the VET hopes so to. So IF he PASSES then we are gonna GET him provided there is NOTHING wrong with HIM.

_Tiffany_

*founder of the Appendix QH clique*

*member of the Mighty TB clique *<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Tiff, You are upset because you think people are being mean to you. In my opinion, your posts are coming off rude as well. Several times now you have written in capitals. People here only want to help you. I guess what I'm getting to is that don't expect repect unless you give it out yourself....

~Steph

*Tapestry* 2000 Dutch WB mare by Contango

[Royal Blue]

I think everyone is just trying to give a bit of a heads up to possible future problems. I to had bought a starved un-worked TB (Secritariat son) & he was a gem in the begining. As he got fatter & fitter he became uncontrollable. I spent tens of thousands of dollars on vet work ups, training, & even had 2 olympic riders evealutae him - everyones answer was the same "you can't fix whats between the ears". I was estatic & so upset on the day he was sold (as a fancy pasture ornament) for not only did it break my heart that I couldn't fix him but he also destroyed all my riding confidence.

That was over 3 1/2 years ago, funny thing is that my new baby looks a bit like him & I almost didn't get on him when I went to try him out because it freaked me out so much. Luckily I did & now own 2 of the worlds most awsome horses.

Good luck & enjoy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif.

[Nikki^]

I say let Tiff get whatever she wants. All that I can see is that she is going to get great experience from this. This might be good for her.

When I got my TB (he's a great grandson of Secretariat), he was underweight and was fed cow hay. He was also trained to run barrals and was bull dogging horse. He was quiet and easy to ride. When he got fat and energized, he was almost too much to handle. I sucked it up and LEARNED to ride him. I learned how to train him and learned his quirks.

I had to gallop him once a week in a 200 acre pasture so that he would be quiet the next day. I did lots of trials, lots of flat work and grid work. It was a great experience, no a WONDERFUL experience and it made me a much better rider.

This will be really good for her. She wants something that she can train on and have fun with. Sure, it will be weird at first, but she will learn how to ride her new horse and in the end, will be come a better rider and horsewoman.

I can't wait to see what happens! Good luck!

http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/
Look up your TB's bloodlines

[Medievalist]

Lay off, guys.

[MyShadeOfPink]

fine

i apologize if I personally insulted you Tiffany

I honestly, truly am. After your cute little App died, I felt your pain, i was in your shoes once. ANd when you started looking at horses right away, I was thinking 'hey, alright!'. And the horses that you were looking at seem completely different from what you seemed to be looking at now.

As one who was pushed by a trainer, red lights went off in my head. I'm sorry if I upset you, just those warning lights mixed in with a little mother hen, I guess. In all honesty, I wanted you to get that perfect appendix that was going to do huntseat with you and look rael cute doing it right from the start. To me, a young tb with an old injury seems like settling to me. But if its truly, honestly what YOU want and not your trainers and parents, then I'm really happy for you

Good luck. Honestly. I hope we didn't sour you from posting about anything you get.

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//Jennie\\
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