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    Default Colleen Rutledge

    Many of us have been puzzled by Colleen's absence from any of the Training lists. I know I am. I have just donated to the fund set up to help her get to Badminton (see her blog for information how to do this). Let's everyone put our money where our mouths are and donate, even if it's only a few dollars. I for one hope she and Shiraz get to Badminton and kick ass!

    Katie



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    Donation sent.

    When the USEF sends me their next fundraising or donation request, I plan to write across the form "donation sent directly to Colleen Rutledge" and mail it back.

    Does anyone know when Mark Phillips contract technically terminates? Does it go through the end of 2012 or just the London Olympic Games? I want to have one more thing to be thankful for tomorrow!



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    The donation link is on the right side of the homepage at Colleen Rutledge Eventing.

    This is a great idea.




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    I feel like I've heard or read something about Shiraz's dressage not being spectacular but I am not sure if that would be a reason to leave the pair off of a list. THat horse is an absolute XC machine. Gives me chills to watch them.
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    Default Dressage

    From what I saw last year, their dressage wasn't spectacular at all, not spectacularly good, not spectacularly bad. It was workman-like, with room for improvement in ringcraft. I saw absolutely nothing that would make me think they couldn't drop at least 10 points, if not more, within the next year.

    Given the fact that their x-c is spectacular, they'd seem like a pair that would have benefitted tremendously from some extra dressage lessons over the winter. It's too bad there's not some sort of USEF funded program to help stellar jumping pairs become more competitve in the dressage phase so that they'd be in a position to help future US teams.

    Instead we'd rather spend money funding more dressage lesson over the winter for dressage specialists who have stopping/bravery/galloping issues. And then we wonder why we have trouble finishing a team.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRider View Post
    From what I saw last year, their dressage wasn't spectacular at all, not spectacularly good, not spectacularly bad. It was workman-like, with room for improvement in ringcraft. I saw absolutely nothing that would make me think they couldn't drop at least 10 points, if not more, within the next year.

    Given the fact that their x-c is spectacular, they'd seem like a pair that would have benefitted tremendously from some extra dressage lessons over the winter. It's too bad there's not some sort of USEF funded program to help stellar jumping pairs become more competitve in the dressage phase so that they'd be in a position to help future US teams.

    Instead we'd rather spend money funding more dressage lesson over the winter for dressage specialists who have stopping/bravery/galloping issues. And then we wonder why we have trouble finishing a team.
    THIS x100000

    Come on already...I've never even heard of half the pairs on the Developing Riders list...no offense to them as I'm sure they have paid dues too (pretty sure none of them have paid their way to Burghley though...)

    Colleen is obviously being snubbed and I'd like to know if there's a good reason behind it or if it's just the disgusting USEF politics once again! Definitely going to donate to help her get to Badminton and kick ass. Love the idea about sending the USEF envelope back with a nice message too



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    Fantastic idea!

    I was so impressed (AGAIN!) with her and her classy response to being left off the lists. When she stated that she has all the confirmation she needs from happy, healthy horses...she won me over...AGAIN!!!!

    Let's donate to her, folks!



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    I would agree with you, Carried. And comparing her to Sinead, who did place higher but by no means left Colleen in the dust, makes it even more puzzling why she would have gotten left off of, at the VERY least, the DR list unless there was some serious snubbing going on.

    On a side note, I selfishly would rather her run Rolex again so I can see her magnificent XC run again in person. :-D
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    Although I have never met Colleen, she seems like a top notch person and competitor. It would be easy to be resentful or angry about not making the list and instead she responds in the most classy way. So impressed and will definitely be supporting her and her dreams.

    Go Colleen and Shiraz!!!



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    Old Boys network. Who's sleeping with whom; who's trained with whom; "who do we know?" You have to either be a club member or absolutely, rivetingly spectacular to get into the inner sanctums. If you haven't been trusted with the secret handshake by an already member, potential doesn't matter. Only proven performance does. In the South we play a game upon meeting someone new. It's called "Who do you know" and it places new people in an immediate context and social ranking that may or may not be justified.
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    Perhaps this would be more appropriate to post on the training list thread, but it seems like the US selectors would rather focus on/bank on potential rather than trying to fix/tweak otherwise good combos. That approach just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Just because a horse hasn't yet run a 4*, doesn't mean he will be anymore successful than one who has done so with some issues.

    In my view, you need to attack on both fronts - the horses with lots of potential who haven't yet proven themselves at that level and the horses who need some help to realize their potential. Shiraz is a good example - he needs help in the dressage department. Another example might be Slate River. He hasn't been out since Rolex, but assuming there are no major soundness issues, he seems like one worth putting on a list.



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    I really enjoyed watching her go at Rolex this year, especially during her SJ warm up with DOC & Jimmy. Very educational!



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    I love the return message on the USET hit letters idea. Great thinking -but I'd expext nothing less from SevenDogs!



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    I'm in and also want to give Colleen kudos for being one of the volunteer clinicians for the Area II Adult Riders Training 3 day at Waredaca. I like that someone that is clearly the sort of horseperson she is, is helping others learn those important lessons in the context of the long format.
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    I am totally in, will give to Colleens badminton fund instead of USET, this year. The thought that the selectors might be paid for making these sort of decisions makes me really want to not donate to the cause even more. I do hope they donate their time. That would make me feel a bit better about the money i have donated to them in the past.



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    I think I agree with the good ole boys club. I also think the closed door system of why they do or do not choose someone justifies this idea. A person, who, for whatever reason, is left off. There is no explanation, to them, nor even a notification that they were left off. Here is a problem with this.

    IF you are serious about trying to make the team, and you don't know the WHY of it all, you are really running in blind circles, and may never fix the issue. I can't imagine any other scenario where we want the best, but refuse to help people get there.

    As for C.R. And dressage. A selector told me, they won't even bother looking at someone not in the 40's at a CCi in dressage. Of the three phases, that one seems the most fixable. Obviously you can't give a ton of movement where there'd might be so little, but you can improve on it.

    You can't improve on a horses boldness, without major risk of injury, and over work.

    This whole thing is frustrating, and ridiculous. I also don't hold out a lot of hope that it will change with a n coach. I suspect that this network, includes mmy who will be there in 2016 as well. I agree, its more who you know, what you have to spend, and less about talent.



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    Posted before done. I think that talent is obviously a factor, most of those people ride amazing....but the omission of CR.. questions WHAT EXACTLY are they thinking?



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    Am definitely donating (again) to Colleen's Burghley fund. Have met her and saw her ride Shiraz at Waredaca (intermediate, I think?), thought she was super then and now.

    And adore the idea about telling USEF where my donation went.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gold2012 View Post
    WHAT EXACTLY are they thinking?
    The selectors are mean and petty. No way around it.

    It's disturbing on a number of levels. The selectors are tasked with finding the best horse/rider combos for our teams and for our future teams.

    Have they done that by leaving Colleen of the lists? No.

    Is there any reality-based universe in which the selectors can choose 40+ pairs over Colleen and Shiraz? No.

    This lot must go. I don't care who they are or who they think they are because, in this case, actions speak louder than words and they've made it clear that they're not fit for the job.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    The donation link is on the right side of the homepage at Colleen Rutledge Eventing.

    This is a great idea.

    Except on an iPad for some weird reason ......



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