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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by EponaRoan View Post
    I'd be evicting his butt, but I'm kind of a bitch that way.
    I really wanted to quote at least five other things, but I'm sticking with this.

    Honestly, it's not worth the headache, hassle, or liability this fool poses to your property and sanity. Plus, he's essentially telling his two little girls it is perfectly okay to go f'n around with another person's LARGE, DANGEROUS animals. Not saying your horse is dangerous, but horses in general are, especially with idiots around. There are so many things that could go wrong in that situation.

    If I was in your shoes, I would hand-deliver a lease clause that firmly and clearly states everything that is off-limits, and don't leave anything out. Go over it, word for word, with him and his entire family, underlining the risks. Tell them if you catch them or see anything out of place that suggests they have been in, around, or near your horses/barn/equipment again, they will be evicted, no questions asked, and will not be allowed to pass go and collect their $200.

    And I toooootally agree with the super-fine, super-hot wire strategically placed. And I, too, would but a copy.



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    Totally agree with everyone about ammending the lease and going over it with the renter with a fine tooth comb. I would also add that you should post signs on the barn too for no trespassing just to CYA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosey_2003 View Post
    I just feel so...violated. Who DOES that?! I don't even pet dogs at other people's houses without permission, let alone have 'pony play day' and then scold the owner's care and horse's manners...
    I usually have two dogs in the bed of my truck. My dog, friend as can be. SO's dog...hit or miss. Definitely a miss if he's in SO's truck by himself. I was sitting in my truck in the Sprawlmart parking lot on the phone one day, this SUV pulls up next to me. Four people get out. Passenger comes over and reaches out to pet the dogs. I crack my door and tell him not to do that. He stares. The driver, stares, shakes his head and does that "uucchhh" sound. Um. My dogs? My truck? Eff off?
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    I would also put a clause covering visitors and friends of renters and prohibiting them from going anywhere near the horses and barns, especially the pastures. I hope you have a no party clause, or a limit on the number of visitors, and how long a visitor can stay with someone (covering the friend or relative that they claim is just visiting for a few days and never leaves).

    And a limit on the number of permanent residents. The rental across from me where I used to live had about six permanent residents, and up to ten more on weekends and holidays, and I suspect some were there on a more permanent basis too. It amazes me what some people will do with rental property.

    Plus, I hope you have a regular inspection clause so you can go in and inspect for trashing of your property, and just see how many people are there and how much stuff (with proper notice of course).
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    Thanks for the moral support guys! I just needed to vent. Honestly, I think I didn't say more because I was so gobsmacked. The pleased look on his face was just begging to be smacked off... Luckily, we do have all those clauses except the animals/pasture in the lease. It's my parents' farm, and they need the rent money, otherwise I would've told him to get the eff out. Apparently Ma n Pop gave him a stern talking-to and he seemed very apologetic.

    The thing is, if he would've simply *asked* me if he could bring the girls out to pet the horse, I would've been okay with that and supervised. I TOTALLY understand horse-crazy girls without a horse (I was one myself) and Mr. Horse isn't a fire-breathing dragon or anything. But to just take the liberty, nuh-uh.

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    Non-horse people don't get it. I had a tenant who I kept finding in the field with his infant petting the horses. I will no longer take non-horse people as tenants. I screen everyone. I still get applicants who once took care of a horse at 4-H camp 10 years ago and really "like" horses or applicants who think their 9 year old horse mad daughter would love to handle feeding duties. It takes longer, but having a horse person is worth the trouble.
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    I agree with Ironwood. Our most recent tenant was FABULOUS: and a horse person with a strong background showing and training ASBs. Excellent tenant, and very responsible. She was extremely respectful of our horses and property...and was happy to keep an eye on them, feed, etc when we were out of town. I miss her!

    I would have to say if we rent it again...it'll be to a horse person with some good horsie background.



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    I once came home from work to find a man (whom I had never seen before in my life) and his three to four year old daughter out in the middle of my pasture. I was LIVID, and asked him what the H*#$ he thought he was doing? Turns out his daughter saw the horses, and wanted to go in and pet them. When I told him there were NO TRESPASSING signs up on our property for a REASON, his reply was "Well we weren't HURTING anything!"....uhhhhhhhh......nope, but the HORSES could have hurt YOU.

    My barn is very visible from a main 4 lane highway, which has always been a problem. Barn is about 100 years old, and beginning to deteriorate. We plan to build a new barn, on the BACK of our property. The privacy will be heavenly!



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    Mosey-I think you need to get the fake security cameras (battery operated, scan and with a blinking red light) and put them in the barn. And if you know someone with a wildlife camera that runs on infrared see if you can borrow it or set up a cheap web cam. I really doubt that the fool will do more than say he's staying out of the barn and pasture, especially when everyone is gone for the day or out of town.

    Maybe this a wakeup call for everyone involved at the farm to review their security procedures. After all, if the tenant is running around the barn and fields, then anyone else could be also.
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    The whole "attractive nuisance" aspect of horsekeeping on a visible piece of property makes me grateful for my screen of pines up along the top of the property at the road; plus the gates and the huge white dog (GP) that loves to lay up there and bark at the passing parade. Our house is situated in the middle of the property with the barn behind it so both are well off the road and I really like it that way.
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    I guess I'm different. I at first thought this was a strange man, not a renter. Sure he shouldn't have been in there, personally I would have been a lot kinder. Who knows when you get stuck at work and you may just need to call your renter to help out.

    Sure I would have told him he cannot be in with the horse, as your insurance won't cover it, but having someone eager to help can be a blessing at times, ask me how I know.
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    having someone eager to help can be a blessing at times
    IMHO, I don't consider that "helping". No one should do anything on your property to "help" without being asked, unless said property is on fire



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    I completely get what everyone is saying here, but I also see where this guy thought he was doing the right thing for the horse.

    We see posts all the time of horse people driving by someone's property and not seeing hay or water and assuming the worst. How they want to drop off hay or give water all without talking to the owner. These people usually get support. How is this different. The guy sees the horse, doesn't see any water, so makes sure he has water and as you noted this wasn't a simple task for him, so he was obviously concerned. Maybe unjustified, but obviously felt he was doing the right thing. This seems to be a person that with the right direction or discussion could be on your side.



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    I came home from work one day to find neighbor and her two children throwing celery and full sized carrots at my animals.

    One of my goats almost choked trying to eat a carrot. I had a nice talk with them and told them I needed to be home for their "visits". It was a nasty surprise to see them because my barn is away from the road.

    I had to tell them repeatedly not to feed the animals. Sigh.

    What is wrong with people. I'd be livid too OP.



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    Quote Originally Posted by farmgirl598 View Post
    IMHO, I don't consider that "helping". No one should do anything on your property to "help" without being asked, unless said property is on fire
    I agree. I am all for being kind, but until you have had one of situations happen to you, you can't know.

    I am so glad to have my mom in our second home here now, but our previous renters were so bad, with the animals, with the house, with our kids, their kids, their pit bull they did not ask to get. Please don't flame me for the pit bull comment. I let them have a large GSD cross before that. I love dogs, any nice, well behaved dog. However, if you are going to have a pit bull, then train and take care of it. When other farms are calling me and I have to go and get your dog who has killed chickens and terrified a birthday party of 8 year olds, it makes me mad. When we evicted them, it cost us so much money. Every window was broke, every door had a whole in it, the carpet was trash, all appliances broke, sledge hammer to garage door.

    Not worth it. You can't help everyone, and sometimes no matter how nice and accomodating you are, it is not going to work. I have learned to be ok with that. JMO.
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    I have a neighbor who no longer speaks to me because, when we moved in, she and her special needs daughter were feeding my horses (one an OTTB just off the track) baby carrots at the front fence line. After going from farm to farm. Spreading god knows what. What does a baby carrot look like? A finger.

    I was nice, I swear I was. I told them to come up any time...we could feed approved treats, under supervision. I used to work with special needs kids for Pete's sake. But, no, she's pissed. At least they stopped feeding my horses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport View Post
    The guy sees the horse, doesn't see any water, so makes sure he has water and as you noted this wasn't a simple task for him, so he was obviously concerned.
    Well, yes, I might be on board with you here, except that the water trough sits directly in front of the water spigot (the fence runs in between). There's no way he could've missed it. He and my mom have been chatting on the phone quite a bit for different things, if he had mentioned he thought the horse needed water, that would have been most welcome. It was the fact that he assumed I wouldn't be taking care of the horse and did it himself that I find offensive.

    Plus I work a six-minute walk from home, so really, there is very little reason for me to need help.
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    I always want to think the best of people, but apparently he was clueless if the tub was right there.

    Hopefully he learned his lesson and will respect the boundaries.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosey_2003 View Post
    Well, yes, I might be on board with you here, except that the water trough sits directly in front of the water spigot (the fence runs in between). There's no way he could've missed it. He and my mom have been chatting on the phone quite a bit for different things, if he had mentioned he thought the horse needed water, that would have been most welcome. It was the fact that he assumed I wouldn't be taking care of the horse and did it himself that I find offensive.

    Plus I work a six-minute walk from home, so really, there is very little reason for me to need help.
    Ah. So he was LYING to you.



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    I agree with EponaRoan-----------too late to add clause to lease IMO would just cause friction and who needs that--------------get new renters and make sure from the get-go that they understand and agree to the boundaries.



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