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    Default Sad vet visit

    So my Mr. Man...Ray...wasn't feeling very good this past week or so, sneezing, runny eye, no talking to me, no playing nor doing his crazy cat agility (as CoTHers pointed out was normal), and it almost seemed like he had a cold.
    So I booked a vet appt for last night, and took him in.

    Turns out he has Feline Herpes!! Kinda like when people (including me) get coldsores, he gets cold like symptons when he is stressed or agitated. And thanks to my sister who brought her 2 large dogs over for a sleepover at Aunt Jessies house Halloween weekend, agitated the crap out of him!

    I talked to the vet in details and pretty much it can't be cured, but the symptoms can be treated. He suggested I could either put him on antibiotics when his outbreaks start to show up, or I could try this "still in testing" enzyme booster that should prevent breakouts from happening.
    I went with the enzyme, as it seems a bit more natural and preventative......plus too many antibiotics they can develope a way that they no longer work.
    Sadly it costs just over $1/dose, one dose/day, forever n ever, until Ray passes away. He's only 3 so thats pretty far away!

    So anyone else have to deal with this???
    Mr. Vet said it's very rampant in the strays and shelters and barn cats, and Ray more then likely contracted it from his mom at birth, since he was born on the streets.
    I used to say if any pet cost more then basic upkeep (vaccines, etc) they could pack their bags n leave...but when faced with this extra $30/mth constant bill..I just can't give him up......he's the man of the house!
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    I don't know that I would bother with the enzyme... as he ages he should handle the episodes better and for that matter, handle some stress better as he ages and learns. Try to shelter him from weird stresses and not medicate, would be my choice. It's a virus, I don't see why antibiotics would even be in the picture since it's not an infection.

    At least it's not fatal, gads I've known too many people, myself included, that took them to the vet for something that seemed minor and turned out to be fatal.

    He'll be fine, just let him rest and recover. Poor kitty.



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    Is there anything like lysine therapy for cats? Lysine is an anti-herpes amino acid. Arginine aggravates it, but I've never looked into arginine levels of food
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessiesgrrl View Post
    So my Mr. Man...Ray...wasn't feeling very good this past week or so, sneezing, runny eye, no talking to me, no playing nor doing his crazy cat agility (as CoTHers pointed out was normal), and it almost seemed like he had a cold.
    So I booked a vet appt for last night, and took him in.

    Turns out he has Feline Herpes!! Kinda like when people (including me) get coldsores, he gets cold like symptons when he is stressed or agitated. And thanks to my sister who brought her 2 large dogs over for a sleepover at Aunt Jessies house Halloween weekend, agitated the crap out of him!

    I talked to the vet in details and pretty much it can't be cured, but the symptoms can be treated. He suggested I could either but him on antibiotics when his outbreaks start to show up, or I could try this "still in testing" enzyme booster that should prevent breakouts from happening.
    I went with the enzyme, as it seems a bit more natural and preventative......plus too many antibiotics they can develope a way that they no longer work.
    Sadly it costs just over $1/dose, one dose/day, forever n ever, until Ray passes away. He's only 3 so thats pretty far away!

    So anyone else have to deal with this???
    Mr. Vet said it's very rampant in the strays and shelters and barn cats, and Ray more then likely contracted it from his mom at birth, since he was born on the streets.
    I used to say if any pet cost more then basic upkeep (vaccines, etc) they could pack their bags n leave...but when faced with this extra $30/mth constant bill..I just can't give him up......he's the man of the house!
    My cat came down with the EXACT same symptoms this week when I went off on a business trip. Goopy eyes, sneezing, low energy, listlessness. His eyes have cleared up and I'm home now, debating taking him in to the vet. He's no longer sneezing but he's weak—walking like he's 20 years old (He's three). He was a stray kitten and I can't help but wonder if he's got the same issue!
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    Didgery, I ain't a betting kinda gal...but I would put money on it. Sorry, just the way the vet explained it's EVERYWHERE....but on the plus side he did say they can live long happy lives even if they have it, just need to keep an eye that the symptons don't last too long or worsen with each outbreak.

    My main reason for the preventing, is my neighbor has 2 cats and I would hate for Ray to be going thru an outbreak and accidently infect them. Not that they have ever met but it would be truly sucky for my concience.

    JB - he did mention Lysine, but I can't remember in what context exactly. My brain was still processing the Herpes word, lol.

    Ray taking this enzym is part of a research group too. Since it's immoral to infect cats on purpose to test to see if the enzym works, they are asking confirmed cases to try it, and the vet to report back the results. So I feel kind of like we are using it for good.
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    Yep, then, given the research aspect of it I would absolutely put him on the enzyme then! Hope he's feeling better soon!



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    Yup, lysine works in kitty herpes. I imagine you'd want to use a powder and sprinkle it on the food?



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    Simkie, ya thats pretty much what I do with it. He mentioned something about it boosting his appetite, and if last nights dinner was any indicator, it works! lol
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    Yes, my 15yo has it!
    She would always catch a cold/get sick after being at the vet any more than for her check up.
    We have never treated her for preventative measures. She just enjoyed shower humidity

    She just NEVER has been boarded since we figured it out and we really haven't had any issue. She turned 15 on monday so I think we've done well!



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    My Maine Coon Toby was diagnosed with that when I adopted him years ago. We had to put him to sleep this past May (nothing to do with the feline herpes), but in the 9 years I had him, he only had two episodes. And he wasn't on any regular maintenance medication. FWIW. You might want to consider getting a second opinion. In any case, best of luck to both of you!



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    Yup, have had a few. They do seem to do better with it as they get older.
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    One of mine has it and while he does get conjunctivitis after severe stress, he doesn't get sick any more than the other four.

    I treat the conjunctivitis when it needs it and otherwise he's a happy, healthy (fat!) little guy. I have Lysine powder, but Jellybean has an exceptionally good "sniffer of medicine" and wouldn't eat it on his food.

    Interesting news on the experimental enzyme - let us know how it works for him.



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    I have a young cat who had a very bad case as a kitten and has an ulcerated eye from it. I tried the preventative L-Lysine gel for cats and he won't eat it anymore. He does fine and now and I have been around many cats who have it and they have all done fine as well:-)



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    I have four cats. Two of my cats have it, plus one who has a herpes infection in her eyes, and I use the L-Lysine powder with all four of them. I went to an veterinary eye specialist for the one with the eye infection and he told me to use it. It also is supposed to strengthen the immune system, so I take it myself, as well, though I get the even cheaper pills from the drug store. Either way, it's very inexpensive. I order the cat's from here:
    http://www.carlsonlabs.com/p-85-l-lysine-powder.aspx

    Since I started using it, years ago, I have had no problems with any of them (knock wood.) All four eat their wet food, with it mixed in, with no problem.
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    Another vote for l-lysine. We use the veterinary gel for our picky eater...she won't always eat the soft food we put it on, but she will lick up the "gravy" and lysine gel. I can see a difference if she misses it for even a couple of days. Plus it's WAY cheaper than $1/day.



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    I read the pkg last night, and it's called FortiFlex, it's a brown powder and soo far so good!
    Last night I caught him licking the bottom of his bowl to get all the powder

    Glad to hear I am not alone, and thats it's not as bad as I thought it was.

    To also help prevent issues, my home will now be a dog free zone...which sucks cause I was hummin and hawin about getting one
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    Maybe there are different strains? We have several dogs & cats and only our older girl has it or ever has.



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    My cat has this too. She'll get runny eyes occasionally. FWIW, my vet said that I could just get regular l-lysine from the grocery and either crush it up and sprinkle a bit on her food, or give her a 1/4 a pill. My vet said that while they have more expensive supplements and prescriptions that the l-lysine was natural, cheaper and worked just about the same. Luckily, I always have it on hands so I'll give my cat a bit when I notice that her eyes start watering and in a day or so it's all gone. Thank god for those pill pockets though to get it down the hatch!



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    Another vote here for the lysine. I adopted a feral stray a few years ago - she was 100% healthy when I got her - then, to keep her company, a fostered kitty. HE brought the herpes in! The Lysine has been amazing. The tortie does get conjunctivitis on occaision, but overall, the lysine is an inexpensive treatment that seems effective.

    Good luck with your kitty, jessiesgrrl!



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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboymom View Post
    It's a virus, I don't see why antibiotics would even be in the picture since it's not an infection.
    Correct -- antibiotics do nothing with the Herpes virus itself. However, a current Herpes "attack" predisposes cats to secondary bacterial infections, which usually need to be treated with antibiotics.

    Here is some more info for the OP from the Merck Veterinary Manual:
    http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/in...herpes%2cvirus

    And an article written by a DVM:
    http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Herp...ivirus_Web.pdf



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