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    Default Knabstruppers

    Who breeds RPSI registered Knabs?

    Who breeds KNN resgistered?

    Other than the KNN being the original Danish registry what is the main differences of having the foal registered with RPSI and KNN?
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    I will defer to experts regarding the differences in the KNN (http://www.knabstrupperforeningen.dk/) and the AKA (American Knabstrupper Association)... though, I am under the impression that, as of this point in time, the AKA may be an entity that is "not surviving"...

    Clearly, the RPSI registers and approves many "different' breeds of sport horses...

    For more information on Knabstruppers, see http://www.knabstruppers4usa.com/ and chat with Melyni... There's lots of nice information on her links page!



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    AKA stepped aside in favor of the KNN when it began coming to the U.S. to inspect and register Knabstruppers here. It was "surviving" just fine up to that point, thank you.

    And the OP didn't ask about AKA. She asked about KNN vs. RPSI.

    IMHO, the inspectors of both are excellent. The quality of the horses approved in both are excellent. RPSI doesn't, however, promote the breed in any way - and tha's fine. They stepped in early on when KNN couldn't be bothered with the U.S. RPSI agreed to set up a Knabstrupper book so that the Knabstruppers here could be registered SOMEWHERE.

    AKA stepped in and became a registry when it became clear that RPSI had no interest in promoting the breed.

    Now, AKA has stepped aside in favor of KNN. It is yet to be seen whether KNN will step up to the plate and do ANY of the promotion and PR associated with the breed in the U.S. that AKA did for several years.
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    Sonesta very interesting. Very much what I was looking for
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    KNN is not Dutch but Danish.
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    Well.. I am happy to announce that we have some confirmed pregnancies to Hussar of Independence here at home in Australia. They are to approved and classified Hanoverian mares.

    Many Thanks to Melyni who set the entire project in motion for us, and to Patricia Fallows who was very easy and professional to deal with, despite all of the obstacles that we had to overcome!!

    No idea what they will be registered with,but fingers crossed for some foals next september.



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    Fingers crossed!!

    To bad I just can't afford to import Athough, there are a few nice Knabs here

    Any frozen of Hussar ever coming to the states?
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    Don't forget Kathy (EquineRepro.com), who owns a Knabby stallion!



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    Default Breeding Knabs in the USA

    The RPSI were the early inspector s and registers of Knabs in the USA. They follow KNN rules, so not much difference, as long as the pedigree rules were followed (not always the case with the very early Knabs) then the RPSI horses get an automatic inclusion in the KNN database and can have KNN registered foals etc. Their Book 2 horses (Horses with pedigree problems), are not an automatic inclusion and have to be inspected on an individual basis by the KNN inspectors.

    It's usually a matter of convenience whether you go RPSI or KNN.
    The KNN are very small organization and there are not the finances to do extensive tours of the USA etc. So for folks in outlying areas or years when the KNN do not come people have the option to use RPSI.

    There is no point listing which breeders go to which registry since most of us use both.

    If you have a question about a specific horse you can always just ask the owner which registry they use.

    But in terms of value or quality there is no difference.


    Hope this helps
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    Default A Knabstrupper brag!

    Since we are on the subject of Knabstruppers! You might like to know that Xavoy Middelsom and I, got our final score at PSG for our Silver medal this weekend.

    Xavoy is what Knabstruppers are all about. He has put up with mistakes, and succeeded in advancing thru the dressage ranks, trained entirely by me, an amateur!

    He is always honest and always tries for me, his gaits are not the best, (though he has a talent for collection). But you never have to worry about him spooking or being difficult. The best of all is, that he allows me, a middle-aged, somewhat overweight, amateur rider, to put on the shadbelly and helmet and canter down the center line in FEI classes.

    I don't need to pack my lunging gear.
    I don't need my trainer to warm him up or settle him down.
    It does not matter what the weather is, nor how many horses there in the warm-up. He always comes out and does his best.
    I might have had moments of frustration (and it has been a long road), but I have NEVER felt that my life was at risk, nor do I have to worry about my horse and his willingness.

    And for that, he is worth his weight in gold! And that's what Knabstruppers are all about.
    It's not about their color, that's just icing on the cake, it's about their 'can do' attitude and their willingness and honesty.

    That's why I own and ride them.
    May all your horses be as good as a Knabstrupper!

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    Huge Congrats, Melyni <smile>...I'm sold on them now. We took on Colorado with not a little bit of trepidation. Totally different breed, definitely a horse of a different color, and quite honestly, we knew very little about the breed. We sent Colorado through the stallion testing last year for two reasons - to raise the profile of the breed and because we are HUGE advocates that boys that stand here, must be performance tested one way or the other. We are thrilled that he has proven himself to be a great ambassador for the breed and changed more than a few of the riders at the test last year, opinion of the big spotty horse!

    Hopefully, as more interest is generated in the breed, the KNN will be able to reach more breeders here in the future. We are fortunate that the RPSI does have the Knabstrupper book and is willing to inspect horses that will be acceptable to the KNN when all criteria is in place in the interim. It makes it much easier for anyone interested in breeding them. There just aren't a lot of them out there!

    MysticOakRanch, thank you for mentioning Colorado ...anyone interested in checking him out can find him on our farm website at http://www.avalon-equine.com There's plenty of video and photos of him and next year we should be able to provide more baby photos. And lastly, for those of you that are down under, we will be exporting semen to Australia in the next few weeks so those of you that are interested in breeding Knabbies will have him available, as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melyni View Post
    Since we are on the subject of Knabstruppers! You might like to know that Xavoy Middelsom and I, got our final score at PSG for our Silver medal this weekend.

    Xavoy is what Knabstruppers are all about. He has put up with mistakes, and succeeded in advancing thru the dressage ranks, trained entirely by me, an amateur!

    He is always honest and always tries for me, his gaits are not the best, (though he has a talent for collection). But you never have to worry about him spooking or being difficult. The best of all is, that he allows me, a middle-aged, somewhat overweight, amateur rider, to put on the shadbelly and helmet and canter down the center line in FEI classes.

    I don't need to pack my lunging gear.
    I don't need my trainer to warm him up or settle him down.
    It does not matter what the weather is, nor how many horses there in the warm-up. He always comes out and does his best.
    I might have had moments of frustration (and it has been a long road), but I have NEVER felt that my life was at risk, nor do I have to worry about my horse and his willingness.

    And for that, he is worth his weight in gold! And that's what Knabstruppers are all about.
    It's not about their color, that's just icing on the cake, it's about their 'can do' attitude and their willingness and honesty.

    That's why I own and ride them.
    May all your horses be as good as a Knabstrupper!

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    Congrats are definitely in order! Will bring some Champagne this weekend if we make it to see DR! Haha! So awesome!


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    Nootka Hussar of Independence http://www.knabstrupper-of-independe...t/stallion.htm semen is available in the US through SBS.
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    I have a registered Knabstrupper 6yo mare by Apollon. She was registered with RPSI with the Knab brand as a foal. She was retained by us to show which she has done well in jumpers and beginning to event. Unfortunately our finances are such that I have to sell her but I absolutely adore her. She is such a beautiful and smart mare. She unfortunately did not inherit the LP gene for spotting but she is solid black and 16.2h of beauty. I had hoped to keep her and breed her after her show career. I totally support the U.S. Knabs, just love them.



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    LA TIMES article about the spotted horses in cave paintings - after article yesterday in Proceedings of the National Academies of Science:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/science/...,6320267.story
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    Idle curiosity..... If you register a Knabstrupper with the KNN I'm assuming it gets a UELN from the KNN so people would assume it was a Knabstrupper. And I'm assuming if you register one with the RPSI it gets a UELN from the RPSI so some might assume from the UELN it was a Zweibrucker. Does this bother anyone, or has anyone really thought about it, or how do you handle it? And what about international rankings etc -- if a Knabstrupper were to make it to that point, would it be credited as Knabstrupper, or a Zweibrucker?
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    @RiverOaksFarm: No, the UELN does not identify a horse's breed, but the association and the country, where the association is located (at least this is valid for Europe and issue of Equine Passports incl. the UELN).

    RPSI does not register Knabstruppers as Zweibrueckers, but as Knabstruppers. They have a separate book for this breed.


    @belambi: Ben, I keep fingers crossed for you! So exciting!

    @Melyni: Jepp, have to underline every word of your statement. Go for it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonesta View Post
    LA TIMES article about the spotted horses in cave paintings - after article yesterday in Proceedings of the National Academies of Science:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/science/...,6320267.story
    What is even more interesting is this picture of horses ancestors.. (of course, the theory of evolution is exactly that.. still only a theory..so could be wrong!)

    The mesohippus is often pictured as being spotted.. not sure if they have ever found evidence or just theoretical?

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    Pendragon, I may not have been clear. I realize the UELN identifies the association and the country BUT........ the common assumption is that a horse with a UELN issued by a particular registry *is* the breed registered by that registry. For example, if you see a horse with an FSA UELN, wouldn't you assume it's a Friesian Sporthorse? And not, say, a Dutch Warmblood?

    But anyhow, I guess that's my answer, it doesn't matter to everyone (though it matters very much to some!)

    I was simply curious for the reasons outlined in my previous post.
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