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  1. #1
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    Default Severe Club Foot

    I'm new to the forum, I mainly registered so I can collect as much information as I can on a pony I just got with 3 out of 4 feet being clubbed. One is severe. She's 10 and has had her feet trimmed less than I can count on both hands. I don't plan on ever riding this pony. I would like to see if this can be corrected to stand in a more natural position. Right now, if the farrier thinks she is in pain, we will do what's right and euthanize. This is how she stands, walks, and even trots. We brought her home today, so we have not gotten x-rays to see if it's completely fused. So anyone out there see a case this bad before?
    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...2011131819.jpg



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    Quote Originally Posted by bhale View Post
    I'm new to the forum, I mainly registered so I can collect as much information as I can on a pony I just got with 3 out of 4 feet being clubbed. One is severe. She's 10 and has had her feet trimmed less than I can count on both hands. I don't plan on ever riding this pony. I would like to see if this can be corrected to stand in a more natural position. Right now, if the farrier thinks she is in pain, we will do what's right and euthanize. This is how she stands, walks, and even trots. We brought her home today, so we have not gotten x-rays to see if it's completely fused. So anyone out there see a case this bad before?
    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...2011131819.jpg
    No advice to offer, but WOW!!! I'm surprised she can stand on it to have the others trimmed. I'd love to follow the progress of this foot--please keep us posted!



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    I have not. But I would like to wish you and your pony a happy ending! Good Luck! I will be watching to see what others say.



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    I honestly don't think she's had her feet trimmed but once a year... and probably not even that often. When the farrier would do her, it was only this foot and the opposite front foot that was also rolled over. The front foot sits level now. I don't know if she wore it flat herself or how it corrected itself. I will try to keep up on progress, good or bad.



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    If she can still walk and trot and does 't seem too much in pain,
    I'm sure something can be done! (I hope)

    Glad to see someone trying to give this pony a chance!

    Thanks to you!



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    Our farrier saw her feet when she was first born. She could have been used for riding if her feet would have been trimmed from day one on a regular basis. She would have been a nice kids mount too. The partially blind situation is also a kicker too. Poor poor pony.
    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...2011124207.jpg



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    Wow. Hopefully Patti Stiller will be along and introduce herself. She is an experienced farrier who has dealt with club feet, and with getting a pony with waaaayy overgrown feet back to walking normally. Most of the farriers here have probably seen a case or two like this and could comment - Patty and her pony are just the one's I've met in person.

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    Yep I am here now, and yes I have seen and worked on a couple as bad. How much she can be helped depends on how "set" the bones and surrounding tendons and ligaments have become.
    A creative farrier can figure out how to trim the foot in a way to give her at least a bit of a flat part of the toe to stand on. Then possibly the deep flexor tendon and muscle can relax and slowly the foot may come down a little. Also with some Equithane a bit of a platform may be built on the front of the foot to help stabilise it on the ground...BUT I have actually seen the whole outer hoof get leveraged right off a foot by adding to much leverage out the front, so it has to be done with caution and not be too extreme. Surgery may be an option to cut the flexor tendons too, but the sucess of cutting them would be questionable at this point of time as the conective tissues in there and possible the bones themselves may be too stuck together.
    I would definitely get a lateral Xray before any trimming to see where the tip of the coffin bone is and see if the navicular bone has attached itself to the short pastern bone. If it has there will not be any correction possible.
    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
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    I've seen and worked with many horses with the exact problem seen in your pony's pictures. It's rarely a happy ending.

    • First, the condition is painful. Always.
    • Other limbs are negatively affected by the inability to use the contracted limb normally.
    • Often there is marked pathology in all joints of the lower limb. The coffin bone is usually at least partially eroded.
    • Even if you can get the pony standing on her sole you can't reverse the bony changes that have certainly occurred.
    • This condition is usually (not always) caused by trauma of some sort causing the animal to avoid bearing weight appropriately on the affected limb for a period of time.
    • The usual appearance of a horse's feet that simply lack farrier care is comparable to elf shoes or wooden clogs (looooong hoof with turned up toe, horse weight bearing on heel.
    You said that she has 3 clubbed feet. Are the other 2 like this one or is she standing on the sole?
    I hate to be Ms. Doom and Gloom, but this pony is in big trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackieBlue View Post
    I've seen and worked with many horses with the exact problem seen in your pony's pictures. It's rarely a happy ending.

    • First, the condition is painful. Always.
    • Other limbs are negatively affected by the inability to use the contracted limb normally.
    • Often there is marked pathology in all joints of the lower limb. The coffin bone is usually at least partially eroded.
    • Even if you can get the pony standing on her sole you can't reverse the bony changes that have certainly occurred.
    • This condition is usually (not always) caused by trauma of some sort causing the animal to avoid bearing weight appropriately on the affected limb for a period of time.
    • The usual appearance of a horse's feet that simply lack farrier care is comparable to elf shoes or wooden clogs (looooong hoof with turned up toe, horse weight bearing on heel.
    You said that she has 3 clubbed feet. Are the other 2 like this one or is she standing on the sole?
    I hate to be Ms. Doom and Gloom, but this pony is in big trouble.
    She stands on the sole of the other two club feet. Mainly I'm looking for someone to tell me if she can live a happy pasture life or is she in pain and not displaying it. Being Ms. Doom and Gloom is what I need. IF you think she's truly in pain, I'm doing the right thing to end suffering. For some background info... we picked her up today with a 25 year old mare. Both need groceries, but not the worst by any means compared to what I've rehabbed. Some of you may know how long it takes sometimes to get horses out of less than ideal situations and I have battled this one for 4+ years. It's hard staying on the sidelines until you can get them and not get attached. But this is a pony that sweeps your heart away in a few seconds of being with her. Our intentions were to take both to give the older mare a retirement home and euth the pony because we've seen this go one for years. My grandpa is retiring in December and has taken a liking to the old mare since he first saw her 10 years ago. Now that he's retiring and she needed a good home... he wants to retire with her, I guess you could say.



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    I'll also add, I'm nowhere near an expert at this type of stuff...

    But, trying not to cause more stress for them being planted in a new home today, I did pick the foot and mess with it briefly. There is some movement in the pastern area that makes me believe it's not fully fused in that joint. But it is certainly a lot more stiff than all of my other horses.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bhale View Post
    She stands on the sole of the other two club feet. Mainly I'm looking for someone to tell me if she can live a happy pasture life or is she in pain and not displaying it. Being Ms. Doom and Gloom is what I need. IF you think she's truly in pain, I'm doing the right thing to end suffering. For some background info... we picked her up today with a 25 year old mare. Both need groceries, but not the worst by any means compared to what I've rehabbed. Some of you may know how long it takes sometimes to get horses out of less than ideal situations and I have battled this one for 4+ years. It's hard staying on the sidelines until you can get them and not get attached. But this is a pony that sweeps your heart away in a few seconds of being with her. Our intentions were to take both to give the older mare a retirement home and euth the pony because we've seen this go one for years. My grandpa is retiring in December and has taken a liking to the old mare since he first saw her 10 years ago. Now that he's retiring and she needed a good home... he wants to retire with her, I guess you could say.
    Bless you for helping these animals. Even if it means a painless death, you are still helping.



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    How does she act? Does she seem happy? I have seen cases like this - a few but most what I have seen are giant ankles - like basketballs - from surgery-gone-wrong and situations where a horse is only pasture sound - I worked for an OTTB retirement - we took anything with a lip tattoo. No matter the condition. So we saw some things....

    If you are just wanting to get her sound so she can be in a pasture.... 1. xray and 2. you may want to consult a good educated barefoot trimmer. You might want to search Strasser's site. I know that Strasser is a little controversal but she is a vet and what I appreciate about the trims she does - she had brought horses like this back from this - amazingly.

    I WILL SAY there is a lot of controversay and my horses are all barefoot and I do not use a Strasser trim. But I do not need one. No matter what someone says - you should get educated about the strasser trim for the sake of this pony. This is the kind of case that prompted her to do her trim....

    That said - how is her disposition? Is she happy? Is she moving along on happily? You may be able to make her more comfortable and then if she is overall a happy horse, she might be able to be retired and a pet.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bhale View Post
    I'll also add, I'm nowhere near an expert at this type of stuff...

    But, trying not to cause more stress for them being planted in a new home today, I did pick the foot and mess with it briefly. There is some movement in the pastern area that makes me believe it's not fully fused in that joint. But it is certainly a lot more stiff than all of my other horses.
    Some movement in the pastern may not be a good thing. You really need x-rays before any decisions are made. I would x-ray before having any kind of farrier work on this pony. Is the opposite leg normal in appearance or does that fetlock sit low compared to normal? If you have deformity in the dominant weight bearing hind limb that needs to be addressed ASAP. Would it be possible to see the pony's other legs and feet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhale View Post
    So anyone out there see a case this bad before?
    http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...2011131819.jpg
    Yes, even worse.

    See coffin joint damage . . .
    http://blackburnforge.com/images/clydefoot.jpg

    Exterior . . . not for the feint of heart.
    http://blackburnforge.com/images/clydefoot2.jpg

    I arranged to have this horse humanely euthanized the day it came into my care.



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    I have a little rescue pony that has a severe clubbed hoof. He does not walk on the sole of his hoof, he walks on the hoof wall. We have had home for over 5 years. He lives with 5 mini mares and LOVES it. He thinks hes a stud and gallops around, he would beat up my haflinger when they were together. He lives a happy normal life as a pasture puff



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    As our vet would say, not a good prognosis and probably in some amount of ongoing pain, sorry.

    Been there with a yearling colt someone gave us, saying "he won't be rideable, but you can use him for a stallion, he is very well bred".



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    I'll try to get pictures of all four feet. Only one is normal in appearance. She's got a good temperament. She doesn't really know how to tie, lead, or load. She supposedly gets very stiff in cold weather. I would assume she's going to have arthritis in her back too with the hip on that side being dropped.



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    Do you think you can get a standing pic from each side, from the back (showing the dropped hip) and straight on from the front? It would be helpful in trying to guesstimate how profoundly Pony is or is not affected by her footsy issues.
    "Absent a correct diagnosis, medicine is poison, surgery is trauma and alternative therapy is witchcraft" A. Kent Allen
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    Oh, wow. She is so fortunate to have finally found the right person who will do the right thing by her, whatever your decision is. So, thank you.



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