[wcporter]

You've got me, 7HL. You're right. I've tried to hide it all this time, but deep down inside I hate Western riders.

When I was a baby my parents were killed in a freak reining accident and I was raised by a strict H/J taskmaster who instilled in me a fear and loathing of any saddle with a horn.

When I'm not busy riding, I lurk in the tack room and slash every one-ear headstall I can find. The mere sight of those long reins that don't buckle throw me into a frothing rage. I just can't handle myself.

Don't get me started about cowboy hats...

Just attempted to laugh and instead (b/c I have a cold), coughed, choked and almost passed out.

[danceronice]

OTOH, many of us Western Riders who don't subscribe, still purchase from the Advertisers, such as SmartPak.

I'm a Western Rider and order plenty from Dover and other English catalogs, such as their winter clothing, boots, jackets and such.

This is a very valid point. The subscriptions (to the magazine) are not paying to maintain this whole site, forums et al. Given the way print publishing is going in all likelihood they soon won't pay for the print magazine itself. AD REVENUE, on the other hand, pays for a lot of things. This is a hugely ad-heavy site. Smart Pak and Dover do not care what COTH covers as long as people visiting the site click on their ads.

And, as pointed out, COTH is only about English, therefore the forums should only be for English disciplines, kind of fails completely when you consider Menagerie, Around the Farm--even Endurance and Trail Riding isn't really English per se.

[ThreeFigs]

Good one, AmmyByNature!

[MHM]

I think the mods added the Menagerie because they grew tired of the poorly cloaked dog and cat threads.

And there probably were enough of those dog and cat threads to clutter up Off Course, unlike the handful of Western threads.

[smokygirl]

I'd love it

But then again, Western disciplines are one of my interests. It would be nice to have a spot that discussing it, particularly reining, since that is now a "sport horse" discipline.

[Kementari]

You sound like one of the english disciples that has no room for anything, except maybe a *****.

I have little interest in read a thread about "Womanly-sized riders, unite!", but it has it's place.

Oh I am neither female and well past teenage. You sound like a girl that didn't get to go to the prom.

Sounds like your trying to kill this thread.
Get over it!

And you wonder why 30-odd people have chosen your snarky option?

Hint: it's not necessarily because of the discipline; it may be because of the obnoxiousness of your tone.

[ThreeFigs]

Heheee. That's why I chose the snarky option! 7HL likes to bait people. I like to play.

I rode Western for years and spent lots of time on my cousin's ranch gathering & working cattle. Sometimes I worked cattle in my jumping saddle if it fit the horse better than the available stock saddles. The only thing I couldn't do was rope.

Ridin's ridin. Don't matter about your tack.

[Renn/aissance]

I used to buy this argument, until they added "The Menagerie." "Around the Farm" was already pushing at that old justification.

I suspect that the above two forums were added in response to obvious, evident demand evidenced by years of such threads thinly veiled in horse-relatedness.

When I see the same demand evidenced by the same flood of Western-themed posts, I will happily support a Western forum. Until then, a user-created poll yielding bad statistics that doesn't provide justification for why COTH should go outside of its business model absolutely provokes in me the desire to choose the bitchier of the two "no" answers.

Signed,
Started Out My Riding Career In Western Pleasure and Loves A Good Quarter Horse

[smokygirl]

I suspect that the above two forums were added in response to obvious, evident demand evidenced by years of such threads thinly veiled in horse-relatedness.

When I see the same demand evidenced by the same flood of Western-themed posts, I will happily support a Western forum. Until then, a user-created poll yielding bad statistics that doesn't provide justification for why COTH should go outside of its business model absolutely provokes in me the desire to choose the bitchier of the two "no" answers.

Signed,
Started Out My Riding Career In Western Pleasure and Loves A Good Quarter Horse

Good Points.

But, I think some may have questions, and just don't ask them here. They go to another forum. And click the ads there. Western Riding is the predominate riding style of most of the US. Wouldn't it be great to expose them to your discipline? (which ever that may be). Hard to get non-horse people interested in horses. Much better to try to convert them

[deckchick]

You sound like one of the english disciples that has no room for anything, except maybe a *****.

I have little interest in read a thread about "Womanly-sized riders, unite!", but it has it's place.

Oh I am neither female and well past teenage. You sound like a girl that didn't get to go to the prom.

Sounds like your trying to kill this thread.
Get over it!

I voted before I read this thread, I voted yes, but now I wish I hadn't for the simple reason that YOU started this poll. You are an ass.

What on earth is wrong with you?

It's an english magazine about english riding. No one is keeping you from posting about western stuff if you want to. We're just saying that there is no reason to have another forum.

Are you even reading what other people are posting?

ps Are you sure you're not a teenager? 'Cause you seem to have a profanity blocker installed on your computer. Are you Western Caylie?

Excellent post.

Are you feeling threatened? No room for western? Look at the vote.

Many for yes.

Some for no change.

Then a few that think western has no place here. (I see you voted that way.)

I'm feeling dirty actually, like i'm in bed with a flea bitten dog.

First absolutely nothing hormonal, I don't have that issue.

I broke it down the way I did on purpose. Specially when it came to the NO answer. Keep it the same or western has no place. You've shown your true colors.

Yes you have.

Nothing will probabaly come of this thread except strike up debate. It wasn't meant as a western vs ernglish debate. If people want to play they will.



Then maybe the MODs should ask the question, if people can't answer the question honestly.

They are answering the question honestly, it is you that are looking for a fight not a debate, I really hope we do not get a western forum, then we won't have to read even more of your crap.

[trubandloki]

7HL, you are doing a fine job of proving that you are not able to have a discussion with anyone about any topic with out becoming a bully. And here I thought it was just PP that caused you to be that way. Noper.

[red mares]

OTOH, many of us Western Riders who don't subscribe, still purchase from the Advertisers, such as SmartPak.

I'm a Western Rider and order plenty from Dover and other English catalogs, such as their winter clothing, boots, jackets and such.

The same can be said of saddleseat riders. I come here to see how the other half live. If I want to read Lonnie Lavery's words of wisdom I go to TROT.

[WildBlue]

Well then, following this line of argument, Chron couldn't have a "Western" forum at all. There would have to be a "Reining" forum, a "Pleasure" forum, a "Cutting" forum....

That was my first thought when I read the poll. IMO, it's as stupid to combine all Western disciplines in one place as it would be to combine all the English ones, and for the same reasons.

[Mara]

7HL, you are doing a fine job of proving that you are not able to have a discussion with anyone about any topic with out becoming a bully. And here I thought it was just PP that caused you to be that way. Noper.

I think a lot of people who initially voted "yes" would now change their votes.

I don't want a western subforum for the simple reason that it would give 7HL more reasons to post.

[trubandloki]

I don't want a western subforum for the simple reason that it would give 7HL more reasons to post.

On the good side, maybe it would keep him busy enough that he would stay out of the other sections.

[spotnnotfarm]

On the good side, maybe it would keep him busy enough that he would stay out of the other sections.

NOOOOO!!! Do not dump him on us! Western riders do not want him either! Maybe if the Mods start a Parelli Forum! Then all the PP lovers and haters could quit mucking up the other forums!

[Skyedragon]

It would be nice to have a section dedicated towards western riding. Maybe not broken down into sections but just a general "western riding" section. More than once I have had a question that I wanted to post here but felt that it was more of a question for western riders than english riders.

[Frank B]

Seeing as how reining is rapidly gaining acceptance in international competition, why not?

I mean, if Anky... Umm, better not go there. Don't want to start a trainwreck.

[Lostboy]

I don't mind some Evolution around here. I think it would be even better if people who aren't current members of the COTH boards (because they ride western) come on over and have a place to participate. The gain in knowledge and experience would be helpful,a different perspective is always nice.. even if people don't agree.

plus I am more likely to browse that area then the dogs,cat,hamster forum.

If I were and advertiser on this BB I would welcome the inclusion since it broadens my advertising outreach

[Tiramit]

As for that "SmartPak and Dover advertise on the COTH and I buy from them and thereby support the BB" debate... I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but unless you click through the COTH featured ads to make your purchases or tell the advertiser that you're purchasing BECAUSE you saw their ad on the COTH BB, you're not benefitting the BB or COTH.

Visiting a store front by typing in the company's URL, clicking from an email, or searching through Google does not directly associate back to the COTH. You may have seen the ad on the COTH, but without a direct connection from the ad to the store, you're really only helping the store. In other words, you're not supporting the COTH at that point, which renders it a non-argument here.