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    well, i sold gunner about 2 months ago, if that, and have been pony shopping since, and i think i've found my guy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif.
    here's the link to his pictures, although you should probably read his little story first.. clyde's pictures
    please critique him as best as you can, i'm going to try to get some better shots tomorrow.

    his name is clyde, which i do not think suits him at all, he needs a much more elegant name than clyde http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...n_rolleyes.gif. anyway, he's a 14.1 1/2hh welsh/tb (we think, he doesn't have papers), 7yrs. old (we're having the horse dentist come to cofirm this also), bay with 4 white socks & a big blaze (my dream markings http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif ).

    he's for sale due to a divorce, the people hired a broker to sell him, which she did, to the people that kept him for about 6 months.

    the people that bought him stuck him in a 20 acre dust pit with about 80 other horses/ponies. they did not feed, give hay, etc., only water. so apparently only the alpha horses ate what little grass there was, and the others starved. clyde isn't an alpha horse, so he lost a good 150-200lbs. during those 6 months.

    cindy, my trainers friend (and person she buys basically all her horses from) found him and a few others she really liked about a week before we had schedualed to go to her farm to try out some other ponies. she contacted the people who had him, and they let her take him and another mare to be sold.
    so when i got to cindy's, clyde had only been there for i think less than 24hrs. i saw him and was so upset that someone would let any horse get like this.. i didn't even want to ride him because he was so skinny. but he was happily eating his hay, and drinking, and was very alert, etc., so i got on (the first time he had been ridden in 6+ months btw).

    he was an angel.. he floats when he trots, very flat-kneed.. and he jumps.. gorgeous, knees to his chin.. and just think when he gets all his weight back.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif pretty pony.

    soo.. he arrived at fair haven today, and i have him on trial til april 3rd. i just messed around with him today, no riding. he's still very timid around people, and just about anything scares him.. the feed bucket is one of them http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...n_rolleyes.gif.

    a few questions though.. how much weight do you guys think he needs? my trainer thinks about 150-200lbs.. i think that's a good amount, but i'm not sure.
    he's currently on 3/4 scoop (it's a 3qt. scoop, think that's enough for him?) horsemen's edge pellets with a handful of flax seed am/pm. is horsemen's edge a good quality feed (i'm not into all the feed qualities, etc.. don't mind me)? and isn't flax good for their coats? is a handful (which i guess is equal to about 1/2 cup) enough for him? his coat is.. nasty.. it's shedding like crazy (normal, i know), but is very dry and flaky.. i'd give him a bath, but it's going to be too cold for that (esp. b/c our barn doesn't have hot water).

    when he was eating tonight he didn't seem very interested in the pellets at all, but that could be due to stress from traveling, so i'll be watching him when he eats in the next couple of days.
    we're getting the dentist out soon to check out his teeth also, to rule out any soreness, etc.

    also, what do you all think about me riding him.. with his weight and all? i personally feel bad riding him.. but i wanted to know what you guys think.

    let me know if you can answer any of those questions, or have any others for me. let me know if you have any suggestions as to what to feed him, etc. feel free to critique his pictures as best as you can, i'll try to get some better ones tomorrow. thanks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

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    well, i sold gunner about 2 months ago, if that, and have been pony shopping since, and i think i've found my guy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif.
    here's the link to his pictures, although you should probably read his little story first.. clyde's pictures
    please critique him as best as you can, i'm going to try to get some better shots tomorrow.

    his name is clyde, which i do not think suits him at all, he needs a much more elegant name than clyde http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...n_rolleyes.gif. anyway, he's a 14.1 1/2hh welsh/tb (we think, he doesn't have papers), 7yrs. old (we're having the horse dentist come to cofirm this also), bay with 4 white socks & a big blaze (my dream markings http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif ).

    he's for sale due to a divorce, the people hired a broker to sell him, which she did, to the people that kept him for about 6 months.

    the people that bought him stuck him in a 20 acre dust pit with about 80 other horses/ponies. they did not feed, give hay, etc., only water. so apparently only the alpha horses ate what little grass there was, and the others starved. clyde isn't an alpha horse, so he lost a good 150-200lbs. during those 6 months.

    cindy, my trainers friend (and person she buys basically all her horses from) found him and a few others she really liked about a week before we had schedualed to go to her farm to try out some other ponies. she contacted the people who had him, and they let her take him and another mare to be sold.
    so when i got to cindy's, clyde had only been there for i think less than 24hrs. i saw him and was so upset that someone would let any horse get like this.. i didn't even want to ride him because he was so skinny. but he was happily eating his hay, and drinking, and was very alert, etc., so i got on (the first time he had been ridden in 6+ months btw).

    he was an angel.. he floats when he trots, very flat-kneed.. and he jumps.. gorgeous, knees to his chin.. and just think when he gets all his weight back.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif pretty pony.

    soo.. he arrived at fair haven today, and i have him on trial til april 3rd. i just messed around with him today, no riding. he's still very timid around people, and just about anything scares him.. the feed bucket is one of them http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...n_rolleyes.gif.

    a few questions though.. how much weight do you guys think he needs? my trainer thinks about 150-200lbs.. i think that's a good amount, but i'm not sure.
    he's currently on 3/4 scoop (it's a 3qt. scoop, think that's enough for him?) horsemen's edge pellets with a handful of flax seed am/pm. is horsemen's edge a good quality feed (i'm not into all the feed qualities, etc.. don't mind me)? and isn't flax good for their coats? is a handful (which i guess is equal to about 1/2 cup) enough for him? his coat is.. nasty.. it's shedding like crazy (normal, i know), but is very dry and flaky.. i'd give him a bath, but it's going to be too cold for that (esp. b/c our barn doesn't have hot water).

    when he was eating tonight he didn't seem very interested in the pellets at all, but that could be due to stress from traveling, so i'll be watching him when he eats in the next couple of days.
    we're getting the dentist out soon to check out his teeth also, to rule out any soreness, etc.

    also, what do you all think about me riding him.. with his weight and all? i personally feel bad riding him.. but i wanted to know what you guys think.

    let me know if you can answer any of those questions, or have any others for me. let me know if you have any suggestions as to what to feed him, etc. feel free to critique his pictures as best as you can, i'll try to get some better ones tomorrow. thanks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

    -kady-
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    I think he's cute! And you are very lucky to have him for so long to try. That will really give you a good idea of how he really acts. I don't think he looks too skinny to not be ridden (I remember you saying your pretty tiny anyways). I would watch though as he gains some weight & muscle in the next few weeks you have him (and I wouldn't try fattening him up too fast either) to see how he reacts as far as energy level & such. What was once a quiet malnourished animal could become quite a handful when properly fed & therefore may not be the animal you want. See how he settles & try doing different things with him as time goes on & watch how he handles it.

    I am sorry you sold Gunnar (even though you knew that was best) cause that's always a bummer, but am happy to hear you have been out shopping. And what's wrong with Clyde? It's kind of off beat & fits him (mini-clydesdale markings). http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

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    Awe, I like him. And I think Clyde actually suits him and is sort of funny, being that he's pretty little and clydesdales are big.

    I do agree with you and your trainer that he looks awfully thin. Look at his neck and barrel and how sucked up he is in his abdomen. Poor baby! I think he'll look awesome once he starts getting worked, I really like his type.

    I think you can let him dictate, to some extent, how much work he can handle. I think light work can only be good for him, better to let him slowly build muscle rather than try to put fat on him and then work it off. Plus it'll keep him mind engaged and probably make his easier to deal with in the long run. If you're truly apprehensive about riding him-- why not teach him to line drive? That was you can work him gently and let him get his stamina up some. But I really don't think light riding will hurt him (assuming you're an appropriate size for him and are going to be attentive to what he can and cannot handle).

    Good luck with him!

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    haha, i never even thought of clydesdales = clyde.. he does look like a mini clydesdale http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif.. oh well, we'll see about the name, that's the least of my worries with him now.

    giddy-up, we did get lucky with the trial situation.. we pressed the issue with cindy and she finally let us have him for longer http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif. my trainer thinks he's fine to be ridden lightly.. yes i'm tiny haha, so i doubt i'll do him much damage.
    and about the quite, malnourished animal thing, as that was how gunner was! he wasn't skinny or anything, but he was being fed poor quality hay/feed, and was anemic when i got him.. 6 months after i bought him he was a completely different horse http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...n_rolleyes.gif.. personalities just don't always work, but we found him a great home, i hear from his new owner all the time about how much she loves him http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif.

    vxf.. i know.. he's so skiny.. those pictures actually make him look a little bit fatter.. when your standing away from him you can count every rib, and his neck is about the thickness of my arm http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_frown.gif. i think i'll talk more with my trainer about a riding routine on tuesday, and see what she thinks. i don't think light work will hurt him.. i just don't want to make him loose any weight by burning calories!
    but he's in a huge 5 acre pasture with 2 other horses now.. so he should gain pretty quickly (i hope).

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    Don't worry about the number of pounds he needs. Just keep going until he is at a weight that looks good on him.

    There are many threads on the Horse Care BB about getting weight on a horse. First: I would do a Panacur power pack to clean out his system of parasites -- no point in feeding the worms instead of him. And if he has been neglected for this long, a single dose of wormer will not clear out everything. After the 5 days of the power pack, add a good probiotic to his feed to re-establish the good stuff in his gut.

    Then, go to 3 meals a day -- horses are meant to be eating small amounts all day, not gul***g food twice a day. Build up to 6 - 8 qts/day of a medium protein, high fat feed. Make sure it has beet pulp in it or add beet pulp (get the shredded kind and soak it first, even for 30 min). I would also add flax meal (from the feed store) and Black Oil Sunflower seeds (from the bird feed section of PetSmart). You can also build up to a cup or two of oil (corn oil from the grocery store is fine if he will eat it. Otherwise, rice bran oil from the feed store).

    And, of course, good quality hay available at all times.

    Some exercise is good for him. It will stretch his muscles and make him hungry for his next meal. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

    I bet by the end of summer you will own a really fancy and shiny pony.

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    He is very cute http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif ditto on what everyone said about feeding him... corn oil is wonderful stuff for fattening them up, and ALL the hay he will eat...

    My only concern about him is how straight he is behind. He is *straight*. So given his state, I think you should buy him if the price is right (and given his condition, it sure had better be right!) but perhaps consider that he might have a tougher time staying sound behind than a pony that was better built. Then again, who knows..

    regardless, he needs you and you need a pony http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif good luck to both of you!
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    lh- where can i get the panacur stuff? would a tack shop sell it?.. i guess i'll go check that out maybe tomorrow, or sometime this week.

    eqtrainer- we were actually discussing how straight his is tonight.. but like you said, who knows. i think his price is right.. what do you guys think he'd go for, just from those pictures (again, i'll get better ones tomorrow).. hopefully it'll be somewhat close to what their asking for him..

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    oh i forgot to ask.. what about body clipping the first week of april (that's when i'll know if i am buying him of not)? think that's going to screw up his summer coat.. or do you think it may help since his coat is so nasty right now? i'm so tempted to get my clippers out.. i cannot STAND shedding lol.. and his coat is so long.. blah..

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    Just deworm him.. rotate them around, and all that nasty hair will fall right out http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif
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    ah yes, good idea.. i need to go buy some worming stuff tomorrow.. lots to do! i can't get too carried away though, i don't own him yet http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

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    Diffuse, YOu should be able to get the Panacur Power Pack anywhere you get regular wormer. My tack shop sells it, but so does my feed store. Others have had some trouble finding it in their town, though, so you might want to call ahead. Each tube is a double dose and you give it for 5 days. It takes care of each and every worm that may be in his system. He may have a little diarrhea when he is on it --- not to worry, unless it gets bad.

    The Probiotic that you will start after the Panacur (no point in giving it with the Panacur since it will be wiped out of his system with all the bad stuff in there)will reinstall the correct flora and fauna in his system and his insides will be fresh as a daisy. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif Then, just watch the weight pour on.

    Yes, you can clip him in April. But if you curry, curry, curry, (and once the worms are gone) he will shed out quickly. And a bath, as soon as it is warm enough will make his hair look better.

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    thanks for that info., i'll be making a visit to the tack shop/feed store tomorrow to get info. on all of these things http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

    i just can't wait to go out there and curry away at him.. i was attempting to use the shedding blade on him today and he was not to sure about that.. i just want all of his nasty long hairs to go away!

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    Kady, when they are boney, the shedding blade can hurt http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif be patient, it will come out http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif
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    One of the boarders at our barn brought in a very skinny TB. She had his teeth checked & they were awful, had him wormed, got him on 3 balanced meals a day and added a rice brn coat conditioner. They put him on light work and then gradually built up time. He is now super shiney, has put on weight, built muscle and just glows. He has also settled into the routine and rather than getting higher is getting calmer every day.

    Good luck with Clyde....the name fits him.



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    i never even thought of the shedding blade hurting http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...ilies/uhoh.gif.. he's scared of the thing too.. backed himself right into a corner anytime i touched him with it.. i think i'll stick to the curry comb http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif

    the dentist called tonight and we're schedualing something for this week i believe.. at least if i don't buy him he'll have nice teeth http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif.. but i think i will be buying him (as long as he passes the vet check.. which is march 30th, cross your fingers http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif).. who can resist that face?

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    Awww, poor skinny thing. He is absolutely gorgeous, though, I love his markings! I think he'll be a very lovely boy once he gets some groceries.

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    I think your trainer is right about how much weight he has to gain and what she is feeding him. Since he didn't have a good food source for so long he needs to be brought back up to weight slowly.Did you ever consider that he could be a quarter pony? I'm looking at his head and it seems very quarter horsey to me, we had one that looked almost just like him (except he was a chesnut and a hony http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...s/winkgrin.gif)

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    never thought about him being a qh pony.. only because he is verrry refined (some due to skinniness though).. i think he has some arab in him, he has these huge arab eyes, remind me of my arab i had. i just had a quarter pony, and he looks nothing like him lol, but we'll see once he gains his weight back!

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    I was thinking too, that he looks QH/Arab. LOTS of ponies that are supposedly half welsh but have no papers are really half Arab. Not a bad thing! Just a thing http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif
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