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  1. #1
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    Default Where can I find a bit like this?

    Straight plastic mouthpiece boucher? No bumps on the mouthpiece.

    DD's horse loves to go xc in his plastic mouth bit, but he needs "just that little something more".

    I have not found one anywhere, so I am turning to you great COTH.



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    I don't think there is one. However, if it's for XC, you *could* theoretically "doctor" a Nathe' type Tom Thumb pelham to serve as a Baucher bit.

    Removing the curb chain and the rings to which the curb chain attaches, and flipping it upside down so the cheekpieces go where the bottom rein goes, then putting the rein on the main ring like normal, you'd have a Baucher-type apparatus. Probably not dressage legal, and might look a little strange, but it could be done.

    I flipped and photo-shopped this image of a rubber Tom Thumb pelham to show you what I mean.
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    Argh, let me try that again.
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    Default DW

    Thanks, I hadn't thought of turning one upside down. We'll give that a try tomorrow.

    We did try the sealtex as someone kindly suggested and it was close, but if the mouth moves at all he gets his tongue over it. It is one of his many mouthy talents. Maybe more layers?!

    We have a Rubbermaid tub full of bits..... you would think........



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    Are these the bumps you're talking about? My horse love, love, loves this bit. It was the first bit he ever truly accepted and learned contact can be friendly in!

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    He is not, at least not yet, a fan of the Happy Mouth with the bumps. The bit that he likes has probably been hanging around our farm for 25+ years.

    He is very good with his tongue and can get it over just about any bit that wiggles in the middle at all.

    For some reason, DD doesn't like for him to have his tongue over the bit on xc LOL.

    He is young and the steering, and the slowing down/setting up for jumps isn't perfectly installed as yet, so here we are. The jumping seems to be installed and working as designed, so they can begin to think about adjustability and making the time.

    Thanks for the ideas, we will give them a go at home and see what works the best.



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    Have you tried a port? My mare would get her tongue over EVERYTHING, so I tried a Myler D-ring with a pretty substantial port and she goes fabulously. Also switched to a Micklem bridle, and this seemed to really do the trick. It can be a very frustrating thing to deal with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Valkyrie View Post
    Have you tried a port? My mare would get her tongue over EVERYTHING, so I tried a Myler D-ring with a pretty substantial port and she goes fabulously. Also switched to a Micklem bridle, and this seemed to really do the trick. It can be a very frustrating thing to deal with!

    Yep - the Micklem bridle helped the tongue over bit problem for me and I have recently moved to a full cheek Waterford for a bit more control. He really seems to like the Waterford mouthpiece and doesn't put his tongue over it, but strangely for a bit that is perceived as quite severe, it doesn't seem to have made very much difference to the hold he takes.



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    Here are some potential options, though none plastic without bumps, but the Myler ones might help: http://www.thehorsebitshop.co.uk/sec...72e4644b2eb3d8

    How about the Nathe Gag http://www.equusport.com/item.php?item_id=643
    or nathe 2 ring (probably fairly like a baucher) http://www.equusport.com/item.php?item_id=649

    Sprenger Duo does a 3-ring: http://www.123tack.com/herm-sprenger...gn=FeedPerfect
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    Neue Schule makes a rubber mouthed, mullen baucher, but it's hard to find. I've been looking high and low. I think freaked out the vendors at the AECs. There's just got to be an easier way to get this bit. My guy loves his HM, but the bumps make it illegal for dressage.
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    No picture, but the hanging cheek Neue Schule Vulcanite here (at bottom) may be what you want: http://thehorsebittrader.com/neue-schule-bits.html
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    Bit with bumps is legal for eventing dressage. See picture number 13 in Appendix 4 of the rules (permitted snaffles).
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    You'll probably have to look to a UK seller to find what you need. I bought a mullen mouth Baucher from Cotswold Sport on eBay (UK seller). Mine is a metal mouthpiece... I don't recall if they had a rubber-covered one.

    Alternatively, I've heard of people having their farriers remove the shanks from Pelhams to create a Baucher with a solid mouthpiece. (Kind of a similar concept to what DW showed) Obviously, you would not use the curb chain.
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    Another option would be to use a full cheek mullen mouth with keepers. *I believe* (bit gurus chime in if I'm wrong here!) that a full cheek with keepers provides pretty much the same stability that a boucher will.

    Or a kimberwick and remove the chain: http://www.granvillesaddlery.co.uk/s...-mullen-mouth/



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    Quote Originally Posted by tuppysmom View Post
    Thanks, I hadn't thought of turning one upside down. We'll give that a try tomorrow.

    We did try the sealtex as someone kindly suggested and it was close, but if the mouth moves at all he gets his tongue over it. It is one of his many mouthy talents. Maybe more layers?!

    We have a Rubbermaid tub full of bits..... you would think........

    Since it is for xc...have you tired a rubber tongue depresser. Not legal for dressage of course.

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    my young horse is similar and he loves the Duo mouthpiece. Currently I jump him in a 3 ring Duo with a rein on the snaffle & one on the 2nd ring.

    Provides some control when I need it, but I mostly use the snaffle rein and he reaches into the contact since he loves the bit. Had tried a single jointed HM boucher on him and found it to be too thick & clunky for his small mouth.

    On the flat I ride him in a myler comfort snaffle D, which I think provides a good bit of control for a dressage bit, and it's "mullen-like".

    Good luck, bitting is such a pain!



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    I sent detailed PM.
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