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  1. #1
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    Well, we have found a replacement for the illustrious Christmas Pony, the pony from hell! I would like to thank everyone who tried to help us find another pony. Between other members of STRIDE and Florida Whips, folks on this board, and other friends involved with horses in one way or another we had 7 excellent prospects. There was a Welsh Cob, a Haffie/Fell Pony cross, a Hackney, a Haffie, a Caspian, and two Minis to choose from.

    The Haffie, the Haffie/Fell cross, and the Welsh were eliminated by reason of size. My wife wants a smallish pony and we already have a cart and harness for a smaller pony. The Hackney was out because (if Pita is any indication) they are hot. That left the Caspian and two Minis. We fell in love with and chose the Caspian because of a number of reasons. #1, he drives like an amatuers dream. He will trot if you ask him to trot but he is perfectly happy to walk. He is not spooky in any way and he is very affectionate. #2, he is perfectly proportioned. He looks like a full size horse but smaller. His body shape matches his legs and neck and he looks like he is put together correctly. He is also fine boned and his look is refined. #3, he is a Caspian. After doing our research, finding out just how few of these horses exist, learning that up until not to long ago (late 60's) they were considered extinct, and talking to Caspian owners (the internet is grand, isn't it) about their personality and desire to please we decided if we could find one we would like to have it.

    It turns out that one of our board members (Kearlydk) owns Florida Sun Farms, home of Dimar Caspians, in Hawthorn, Fl, where he raises Caspian Horses.

    We now are the proud owners of Cyman (pronounced like two words, Si-Man), a 7 year old Gelding. He is about 11 hands, has driven both single and team, and seems like he will be a great help to my wife as she continues to learn how to drive.

    Here are a few pics , Sam, and her trainer, Bob Giles, getting to know Cyman....

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman001.jpg

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman002.jpg

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman003.jpg

    I will post some pics of Rose, my wife, and the new guy tomorrow....

    Jetiki (Karen), thanks for thinking of us... I see in the new Whips newsletter that there is going to be a Horse Driving Trial (HDT) at John Porters Cypress Keep, May 27/28. Is that a "fun" show like their last one? If it is, we are THERE!!!!

    Don
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    Well, we have found a replacement for the illustrious Christmas Pony, the pony from hell! I would like to thank everyone who tried to help us find another pony. Between other members of STRIDE and Florida Whips, folks on this board, and other friends involved with horses in one way or another we had 7 excellent prospects. There was a Welsh Cob, a Haffie/Fell Pony cross, a Hackney, a Haffie, a Caspian, and two Minis to choose from.

    The Haffie, the Haffie/Fell cross, and the Welsh were eliminated by reason of size. My wife wants a smallish pony and we already have a cart and harness for a smaller pony. The Hackney was out because (if Pita is any indication) they are hot. That left the Caspian and two Minis. We fell in love with and chose the Caspian because of a number of reasons. #1, he drives like an amatuers dream. He will trot if you ask him to trot but he is perfectly happy to walk. He is not spooky in any way and he is very affectionate. #2, he is perfectly proportioned. He looks like a full size horse but smaller. His body shape matches his legs and neck and he looks like he is put together correctly. He is also fine boned and his look is refined. #3, he is a Caspian. After doing our research, finding out just how few of these horses exist, learning that up until not to long ago (late 60's) they were considered extinct, and talking to Caspian owners (the internet is grand, isn't it) about their personality and desire to please we decided if we could find one we would like to have it.

    It turns out that one of our board members (Kearlydk) owns Florida Sun Farms, home of Dimar Caspians, in Hawthorn, Fl, where he raises Caspian Horses.

    We now are the proud owners of Cyman (pronounced like two words, Si-Man), a 7 year old Gelding. He is about 11 hands, has driven both single and team, and seems like he will be a great help to my wife as she continues to learn how to drive.

    Here are a few pics , Sam, and her trainer, Bob Giles, getting to know Cyman....

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman001.jpg

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman002.jpg

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman003.jpg

    I will post some pics of Rose, my wife, and the new guy tomorrow....

    Jetiki (Karen), thanks for thinking of us... I see in the new Whips newsletter that there is going to be a Horse Driving Trial (HDT) at John Porters Cypress Keep, May 27/28. Is that a "fun" show like their last one? If it is, we are THERE!!!!

    Don
    *Charter Member-Blue Tarp State Driving Clique*
    "You can't always get what you want, but if you try, you just might find you get what you need" Mick Jagger



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    I want one, I want one!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif <cannot get a 6th horse.... cannot get a 6th horse....> Looks terrific going through the water obstacle.

    Will look forward to reading more about your new one. I'm pea green with envy that ya'll are in short sleeves in January. While it's incredibly warm for Kansas this week it ain't short sleeve weather!!!



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    Oh what a beautiful pony! I'm really envious as I think I've bitten off a bit more than I should've starting out with a BIG warmblood who is prone to those "warmblood spooks" and green as grass to driving.

    Your wife is one lucky lady and I can't wait to see photos of her with her new baby http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif
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    Don and Sam: thanks for the glowing review of Cyman. Notice how the size thing comes through for both Rose and and Ashemont. I've been bragging on Caspians as driving ponies but I'm VERY prejudiced. :-)
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    Don,
    I think its more of a Horse Driving trial than a fun show, I don't get the whips newsletter as I'm not a whips member. I would join this year if I wasn't moving. But I'll get with those in the know around here and see what I can find out for you. You can also go to their website http://www.cypresskeep.com for other information. They usually do some clinic thing in May as well.


    Karen



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    Don,

    If it is an HDT at Porter's place, then it is a scaled down CDE. Dressage and cones are usually done on SAturday and then the marathon (section e only) is done on Sunday. That is how they did it in the past. John has some great hazards on his property. The whole marathon part last year was less than 4 km.

    Congrats to Rosie on her new pony. I do truly like th e looks of these little guys. Rather elegant!!



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    Well Don, looks like you folks got an equally attractive CPR. Of course I am kind of partial to bay.

    As a further note, you might want to check with the drivers of small ponies and VSE's. I understand they carry special equipment in their spares kits. Like water wings for the ponies!! Snorkels are good for the pony drivers! All color coordinated. I have heard this from my VSE driving friend who does CDE. Always be prepared is her motto.



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    That cracked me up, being a VSE driver myself LOL!!! But what happens when the horse won't wear the water wings? Mine says they make her look fat!


    Karen



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    I have added a couple pictures of Cyman and Sam taken today. They will give you a little better idea of what the little guy looks like.

    I understand it is also a good idea for the smaller ponies and VSE's to carry a set of ramps... they use them to get up out of the ruts those big horses and war wagons leave in the mud! Heheheheehheeeee...

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman004.jpg

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman005.jpg

    http://www.floridafatboy.com/Cyman/cyman006.jpg

    I know we have to do a bit of adjustment on the harness... I'm thinking a wider, better fitting saddle. He has a narrow back so wider would be better, no?

    By the way.... if Sam looks cold in these pics it's because she is http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif Today we had blue sky, sunshine, and white fluffy clouds but it was only 59 or maybe 60 degrees with a steady breeze... she was freezing http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif

    Don
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    I love the middle pic. The pony is gorgeous! And yes, Sam looks rosy-cheeked and COLD! It's going to be 30 degrees up here in the Panhandle tonight, very windy, and folks, we're just not used to that! Brrr.



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    I don't know if it's the same for larger equines but with my minis I was told, and do, have the point of the shaft ending at the point of their shoulder. Are they suppose to extend beyond the shoulder w/ larger equines?

    I've never seen the extra strap your harness has on the breeching which looks like it attaches to the shafts. It's the piece that begins at the dock and runs forward. What is that for??

    I'm smitten with your pony, really kind looking and not at all wooly! And geee whiz, 60 degrees and ya'll are shivering??? LOL!!!



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    Actually the shafts might be the right length but in the pictures the pony appears to be a little closer to the dash than you might want him to be. Letting the traces out a hole or two would put the pony a few inches further from the dash and then the shafts might be OK. But, no, the shafts shouldn't extend out that far.

    The strap you're referring to is the kickstrap aka bucking strap.



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    Well, I know next to nothing about driving, but what a lovely pony! Good luck with him!

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    Don

    Good news on your lovely CRP. Looks like a real sweetie that YOUR sweetie can enjoy and learn all the fun of driving with.

    Kookicat - we welcome all to this board, but be warned we like to suck you in and get you hooked - literally http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif First thing you know it'll be thinking about driving your eventer or your semi retired pony and we've got you http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif



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    Actually, I think the shafts are a bit too long myself... I have an appointment at Buggys and Carts on Tuesday, next week, to have them shortened and then re-install the tips and leather.

    Since Sam doesn't know the pony yet, and that harness doesn't have one, she stuck on a bucking (or kicking) strap from another harness. Thats what the extra strap on the britchin is. I think I am also getting him a new wider saddle and I'll get the right size strap at the same time.

    I really appreciate all the kind words from y'all.... he seems like a wonderful addition to our barn and I'll keep y'all posted on his progress... Tomorrow, pictures of Rose (my wife) driving him!

    Don
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    What a good looking pony. He looks like a real sweetie. Lots of luck that this one is a keeper.



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    Don
    This is the other half of DNJ talking
    Before you go out shortening your shafts, you really should work with Bob G. and get all the harness fitted out on the pony correctly to see what you really need to do.
    You commented that you think the shafts might be too long so you were going to cut off the tips and re-apply leathers etc. Where you really should have them shortened is from the back.
    If you just cut off the front you end up with the curve of the shaft in the wrong place. It should be positioned at the "waist" of the pony, by the saddle. Right now in your pics (#004 & 006 show this well) Your tug loop is about 6 inches behind the narrow spot on the shaft. If you just cut off the front end, the shafts will ride wide on the pony.

    The other thing that looks odd right now is the height of the singletree. It is making the trace go downhill to the breast-collar, which also appears to be hanging a bit low.

    With Bob's help, once you get all the pieces in the right place, you may find the cart really is the right distance from Cyman's butt! Or not? A number to keep in mind is FEI recommends about 18 inches from the singletree to the horses butt - obviously you can downsize this for ponies.

    The way Cyman is built, a future purchase dream could be one of those shaped breast collars to handle his lower set base of neck, so he has lots of room to breathe. I know the Zilco ones are used a lot on marathon 4-wheelers (with a lowset singletree), but I understand that they have some flexible adjustment to work better with the straight-back singletree of 2-wheel carts. Friends up here with minis have worked with an Amish harness maker to redesign one specifically to work with carts. I think the one Claudette sells also works with carts.

    Hopefully you'll get good weather over the weekend so you can play with Cyman and test a few more things out before you go making changes.

    And by the way, 60 degrees ain't cold! Gotta get below 30 to really be cold (and luckily we haven't had too much of that yet either!)



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    Let me state that as the Founder of the Blue Tarp State Driving Clique, I feel qualified to reply to the comments from your Northern types. I refer to our "cold" weather. http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...ilies/uhoh.gif Granted 59 degrees does not seem cold, but add in the dampness of our fair state and it is cut to the bone chill. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif Sami, I am with you girlfriend, it was cold and will be even cold over the weekend. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif

    Sorry to borrow your thread, Don, but I remember the days when we lived up North and looked longingly at the temps of 60 and 65 in Central Florida. The first winter down here dang near killed me!!!


    I do like your pony and good for Sami for putting on that bucking/kicking strap. Safety first!!!

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    Adding to DriveNJ dream purchase, here is the "V" breastcollar that the mini crowd is using: http://www.thecarriagehouse.com/VBreastCollar.htm I purchased the entire harness and am pleased with it's fit, stiching and looks. The collar is available to purchase separately.

    And us folks in the lower midwest just have to dog ya'll Floridians about your winter days! I actually was born in Pensacola but grew up along the east coast of SC and VA so I do know how a "wet cold" feels and it is awful. I'll take 20 degree and no humidty over 30 and damp anyday. http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif It's just the fact that your grass is still green that makes me jealous!



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