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    Quote Originally Posted by westcoasteventer View Post
    It speaks to her general decision-making process. Three days of fasting while waiting for god to speak to her doesn't really present the image of someone who will be able to make solid decisions in critical situations based on facts and analytical rigor. Just sayin'.
    Whatever. Y'all just keep believing that a person of religious beliefs cannot make rational decisions unless they drop their religious practices and beliefs. What proof do you have that says she fasts 3 days for decisions in Congress? The woman fasted 3 days making a personal decision. She shared this honestly with the public. It is not your place to judge her and her actions regarding her personal decisions. And yes, running for Congress is a personal decision especially considering the bigotry she and her family are subjected to from people who claim to be tolerant yet continue to throw Christians to the lions.



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    Absolutely.

    I don't think that a woman can be elected President of the US, though, which is a sad commentary on our country.

    I also find it really problematic that so many people don't want a Christian to be President. I find that really odd and convoluted, too. It is so inconsistent that I would hardly even know where to start on the errors of that.

    She would make an excellent President. She has accomplished so much, and provided a great measure of protection for freedom in America.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyoteco View Post
    I also find it really problematic that so many people don't want a Christian to be President.
    I'm sorry but this seems like a completely paranoid statement. What have all the other presidents been? Jewish? Hindu? Um, no every single one of them has been Christian of one faith or another.



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    I have never missed voting in an election. From local school levy votes to presidential votes. I am there, every election.

    I am certain that the vast majority of those I have voted for are Christians. Nothing scary about it for me.

    I find Bachmann's penchant for totally screwing up even the simplest of historical facts to be MUCH more problematic than her religious beliefs.

    Nobody that uninformed/uneducated should be allowed anywhere near the White House...not even in a public tour.
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    She is a tax attorney - so she's not uneducated. She is very knowlegeable and intelligent.
    Did you have a problem with Obama's lack of knowledge?

    On the "Christian" thing, it has never been that there was so much discussion and fear mongering about a religion in elections in America. Fear mongering about the oppression that will come from "Christians" is all over the place.
    "The Christians are coming to take away all your rights." is the current theme of "intellectual discourse". Avoid the real issues facing us, that "Christian" might take away your right to a partial birth or post birth abortion! Forget that Obama care may deprive you of many more rights, that this administration is changing the government so that it is gather more and more power into the executive branch and eliminating congressional approval of so many laws and so much public policy. Forget that the spending is so high that it threaten the future of our country. Forget that this administrations answer to that is to print more money and devalue our currency (a good way to redistribute the wealth btw).

    Michelle Bachman is one of the FEW people who actually understands the issues and is willing to stand up against the policies that will destroy this country.

    She is the probably the most informed person running, aside from Thad McCotter who is equally well-informed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dcm View Post
    How is Bachmann applying her religious views to political decisions here? The decision to run for Congress is a private, personal decision. It affects no one but her and her family. Her constituents are affected if and only if they vote for her, and from what I know, this is voluntary. They choose to vote for her. What she does in Congress affects others, but then are you saying that a religious person who is elected by his/her constituents is not allowed to pray to their God/Gods before making a decision? Is that not a violation of their personal religious beliefs and therefore unconstitutional?
    No one is saying she can't exercise her constitutionally-protected right to religion in her private life however she chooses to use it.

    HOWEVER. She has chosen to apply for a secular job. As such, if she were elected, I think most people would expect her to behave in as secular a manner as she is capable because that's a criteria of the job. I don't find this to be any more burdonsome than expecting judges to put aside not only THEIR religion but also their biases, preferences, and opinions and apply the rule of law to the data presented. Do they do it perfectly? Of course not--they're human. But they're expected to try to the limits of their abilities. If she can't do that--and her behavior to date is giving at least some people cause to believe she can't or won't--she is free to pursue any of a gazillion other careers that don't expect her to separate her job from her religion.

    Let's examine the flip side of this coin: If you were selecting staff for your church's summer youth camp, would you seriously consider hiring a devout athiest? The honest answer is probably "No, he or she does not fit the religious emphasis of our program."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyoteco View Post

    Michelle Bachman is one of the FEW people who actually understands the issues and is willing to stand up against the policies that will destroy this country.

    She is the probably the most informed person running, aside from Thad McCotter who is equally well-informed.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... wait.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
    Here today, gone tomorrow...



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    Quote Originally Posted by SMF11 View Post
    I'm sorry but this seems like a completely paranoid statement. What have all the other presidents been? Jewish? Hindu? Um, no every single one of them has been Christian of one faith or another.
    This. The Presidency has been so Christian (though possibly of the wrong brand for some posters here) that a Catholic president was pretty earth-shaking, just as discussion of a Mormon or Jewish president is a scary concept for voters. Just imagine if a candidate from a more 'exotic' religious background presented him- or herself. Yeesh. "Beware the evil Muslin!" indeed.
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    When she makes statements like returning us to $2 a gallon gas, I don't think she has a grasp of supply and demand and/or subsidy. It sounds like she has a grasp for soundbites to attract people who don't understand supply and demand...

    The same with minimum wage- I am all for making us more competitive but for %(% sake, minimum wage is not what holds us back. I guess we could cut minimum wage, then take away welfare etc. then see how big of slums we can get. Probably great for the mega rich who can live in a gated, armed enclave, but not so hot for the vast majority of Americans who will get to live next door to filth and poverty.

    I'm pretty economically conservative, but there are some things we as a society need to all pitch into pay for and I do believe that a minimum wage is not a bad thing... and given that the minimum wage in the US actually requires some form of subsidy from taxpayers- medicaid, food stamps etc. for the people earning it hardly seems in my interest to LOWER it so we can either 1. accept a very low quality of life for people or 2. pay more in taxes so that these low paid people can have a humane life in exchange for their work.

    Pissing on people who work just seems like low blow.

    And HAH! Tax accountant.... talk about a group that receives a nice govt subsidy. How about we go to a flat tax and watch that job go away like everyone elses.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WildBlue View Post
    No one is saying she can't exercise her constitutionally-protected right to religion in her private life however she chooses to use it.

    HOWEVER. She has chosen to apply for a secular job. As such, if she were elected, I think most people would expect her to behave in as secular a manner as she is capable because that's a criteria of the job. I don't find this to be any more burdonsome than expecting judges to put aside not only THEIR religion but also their biases, preferences, and opinions and apply the rule of law to the data presented. Do they do it perfectly? Of course not--they're human. But they're expected to try to the limits of their abilities. If she can't do that--and her behavior to date is giving at least some people cause to believe she can't or won't--she is free to pursue any of a gazillion other careers that don't expect her to separate her job from her religion.

    Let's examine the flip side of this coin: If you were selecting staff for your church's summer youth camp, would you seriously consider hiring a devout athiest? The honest answer is probably "No, he or she does not fit the religious emphasis of our program."
    I just don't recall the Constitution saying leave your religious beliefs at home. I did not know that being a member of Congress meant the job was secular. I KNOW it says Congress cannot establish a religion, but it does not say to leave your religious beliefs at the door. Many people of many religions meditate and or fast before making important decisions. Even a 5 minute meditate can make the difference between a good and a poor decision. What if after praying/meditating/fasting over a decision, she realizes the best decision is actually the secular one because that happens to be the answer provided through the Constitution?

    The only time that this has come up has been for a deeply personal and life changing decision that affected not only her but members of her family. To judge her and find her lacking due to her honesty in speaking about how important her decision was for her personally, is wrong. You can't honestly think that in a crisis Bachmann will tell the world to hold on while she spends 3 days meditating over her decision, do you?



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    Quote Originally Posted by magnolia73 View Post
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    And HAH! Tax accountant.... talk about a group that receives a nice govt subsidy. How about we go to a flat tax and watch that job go away like everyone elses.
    Tax attorney, not tax accountant.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dcm View Post
    What if after praying/meditating/fasting over a decision, she realizes the best decision is actually the secular one because that happens to be the answer provided through the Constitution?
    Bachmann has repeatedly expressed that she believes "God" and her husband are the driving forces in her decision making processes, both professionally and personally. She is running on a deeply exclusionary Christian agenda that is at the very least self serving, and at worst, undermines the very foundation of this country's concept of separation of church and state. The platform on which she is running actively seeks to exclude entire classes of people from enjoying basic human rights (women and homosexuals, to begin with, under and unemployed to keep going...). She repeatedly cites her "faith in God" as the reason women shouldn't have the right to control what happens to their bodies, or gay people shouldn't be allowed to enjoy (or despise) their marriages like the rest of us hetero folk. She actively sponsors bills that aim to ensure people "not like her" will not be able to live fulfilled lives as free Americans. Smaller government does not get involved in my uterus. Smaller government does not get involved in my marriage. Smaller government doesn't get involved in my faith.

    Any woman, period, regardless of political or religious leanings has NO PLACE in the office of the presidency when she says she lives her life as a submissive to her husband (and further stuck her foot in her mouth by using the example that she never actually wanted to become an attorney, but her lovely husband told her to go to law school, so she did...).

    I am lucky in my life that I have the opportunity to interact with people who aren't Americans. It's humbling to understand how the rest of the world views us with these dog and pony shows that are the Bachmanns and Palins. We're losing our credibility as a world power in SO many ways- Bachmann as president would really be the nail in the coffin.
    Here today, gone tomorrow...



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    Obama was the nail.

    I travel. I have international family and friends on at least four continents. The Europeans and the people in the UK were enamored of Obama when we were in Europe shortly before the election. When we were in the UK this summer, the sentiment had totally changed. Several said they had been swept up by the pretty words, but if anyone thinks our news is bad in the US, it is even worse in other parts of the world.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... wait.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
    You said it best!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyoteco View Post
    Obama was the nail.

    I travel. I have international family and friends on at least four continents. The Europeans and the people in the UK were enamored of Obama when we were in Europe shortly before the election. When we were in the UK this summer, the sentiment had totally changed. Several said they had been swept up by the pretty words, but if anyone thinks our news is bad in the US, it is even worse in other parts of the world.
    You are seriously, alarmingly delusional if you truly believe that anyone in any part of Europe (save for the same type of Brit that we have in America- the "damn socialists!, I'd be so much better off without the gov't" all while they're sending their kids to public schools, driving on public roads, and expecting their trash to get picked up every week) thinks a candidate like Michele Bachmann is the right answer for leading the United States in an increasingly global world. But I suppose your earlier sentiments that Bachmann "is the most informed person running" were a sure sign of the delusion from the start.

    Seriously? The most informed candidate running? This, the woman that claims she doesn't take any money from the taxpayer, yet received government subsidies for her foster kids for YEARS? The one that received more than a quarter million dollars in federal crop disaster subsidies for her farm? The one whose "Christian Counseling Service" (PRAY AWAY THE GAY!!!) receives incentives from both state and local governments?? Yet she STILL INSISTS she takes no taxpayer handouts? That all this federal money is "helping the farm, not me" or "that money goes to the practice, not me". $2/gallon for gas? Really, Michele? And do we all get a kitten and a soda machine in our living rooms, too!? This is not a smart woman. This is a woman that wants desperately to be heard and to have people talk about her. But her utter inability to understand the fundamentals of basic US history and government process have, for months, repeatedly demonstrated her lack of ability to lead this country anywhere other than downhill.
    Here today, gone tomorrow...



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    elses.

    Tax attorney, not tax accountant.
    OK, she is still employed because of our governments tax regulations. So yup, as guilty of government welfare/workfare as the people her supporters probably detest. Of course, god only knows how many of them get workfare....



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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse View Post
    Bachmann has repeatedly expressed that she believes "God" and her husband are the driving forces in her decision making processes, both professionally and personally. She is running on a deeply exclusionary Christian agenda that is at the very least self serving, and at worst, undermines the very foundation of this country's concept of separation of church and state. The platform on which she is running actively seeks to exclude entire classes of people from enjoying basic human rights (women and homosexuals, to begin with, under and unemployed to keep going...). She repeatedly cites her "faith in God" as the reason women shouldn't have the right to control what happens to their bodies, or gay people shouldn't be allowed to enjoy (or despise) their marriages like the rest of us hetero folk. She actively sponsors bills that aim to ensure people "not like her" will not be able to live fulfilled lives as free Americans. Smaller government does not get involved in my uterus. Smaller government does not get involved in my marriage. Smaller government doesn't get involved in my faith.

    Any woman, period, regardless of political or religious leanings has NO PLACE in the office of the presidency when she says she lives her life as a submissive to her husband (and further stuck her foot in her mouth by using the example that she never actually wanted to become an attorney, but her lovely husband told her to go to law school, so she did...).

    I am lucky in my life that I have the opportunity to interact with people who aren't Americans. It's humbling to understand how the rest of the world views us with these dog and pony shows that are the Bachmanns and Palins. We're losing our credibility as a world power in SO many ways- Bachmann as president would really be the nail in the coffin.
    Well, you can't argue with that.



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    No where in the Constitution does it same that an elected official cannot incorporate their religious beliefs/ or lack thereof into their decision making process. Using religious beliefs is no better or worse than tying yourself to political ideology.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FitToBeTied View Post
    No where in the Constitution does it same that an elected official cannot incorporate their religious beliefs/ or lack thereof into their decision making process. Using religious beliefs is no better or worse than tying yourself to political ideology.
    Really, so if a Muslim was elected and wanted everyone to worship in a Mosque you would be fine with that ? If a Morman was elected and decided that Sunday's there would be no TV, no stores opened, and no one was allowed to drive you would be good with that ? What if politicians passed a law that only Catholic Church organizations were entitled to tax breaks ? That is all good with you ?



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    Fine, so the process itself doesn't matter. What matters is that the end goal is exclusionary, invasive social policy (OMG!! SOCIAL POLICY!) that results in the government meddling where it absolutely, under no circumstances belongs.

    I am always flabbergasted at how someone can claim that the government is too large and intrusive for attempting to mandate some type of basic healthcare law, or keeping people afloat through social problems during a major recession, yet when the government reaches out it's big arm and brings its fist down upon a woman's right to choose or starts telling people what kind of relationships they can and cannot have with each other, that's just good old fashioned morals! Family values!

    Ms. Bachmann once stated that the federal government is gathering too much personal information about its subjects, referencing our PHONE NUMBERS as an example. Yet she has no problem with the feds participating in curing gays of "sexual dysfunction"? It boggles the mind...
    Here today, gone tomorrow...



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