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    URGENT ALERT ON HORSE SLAUGHTER!!! CONGRESS PASSED LEGISLATION
    ALLOWING THE SLAUGHTER OF WILD HORSES!!!

    Passed legislation removing protection from slaughter to wild horses!

    Senator Conrad Burns (Republican - Montana) introduced at the
    eleventh hour inside the Omnibus Appropiations Bill language allowing
    the slaughter of wild horses by permitting the Bureau of Land
    Managament (BLM) the sale at livestock auctions of all wild
    horses, "without limitation" (without adoption program, ownership
    title, etc)-- that are either over 10 years old, or who have been put
    up for adoption 3 times, removing the protection from slaughter these
    horses had since 1971 thanks to the passage of the Wild, Free-Roaming
    Horses and Burros Act.

    The consenquences of this measure is that a high number of once
    federally protected wild horses, removed from their land due to the
    pressure of powerful cattle interests that are alloting public lands
    for private use, will end up cruelly slaughtered on three foreign-
    owned horse slaughterhouses for human comsuption in European and
    Asian countries such as Belgium, France and Japan.

    Tragically, it is too late to have this language pulled from the
    Omnibus legislation which will be signed by the President.

    The only way to prevent the slaughter of these horses is by passing
    the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act (HR 857 & S. 2352),
    Federal Legislations which would ban the slaughter of horses in the
    whole country as well as the transportation of horses for slaughter
    across US borders making sure that no American Horse is killed for
    human consumption, neither in the US nor in Mexico or Canada.

    It is vital that Congressmen and Senators receive tons of calls,
    faxes and letters asking them to co-sponsor these bills, showing them
    your dissaproval of the rider allowing the slaughter of wild horses
    and the urgency of getting the American Horse Slaughter Prevention
    Act passed in order to prevent

    THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT! PLEASE, FAX, CALL, WRITE AND EMAIL YOUR
    US SENATORS AND YOUR CONGRESSMAN REQUESTING THEM TO COSPONSOR THE
    AMERICAN HORSE SLAUGHTER PREVENTION ACT (HR 857 & S. 2352). ASK YOUR
    RELATIVES, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS AND WORK/CLASS PARTNERS TO DO THE SAME,
    FORWARD THIS ALERT TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS!

    You can find out who your Congressman and your Senators are and their
    contact info on the following website:

    http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/index.html

    At the end of this message you can find a sample letter in support of
    S. 2352 you can send to your Senators (adapt it when writing to
    Representatives) and a list of their Washington DC's phone and fax
    numbers.

    The best way to contact your Congressman and Senators is by sending a
    letter or a fax to their Washington, DC office. Calls are also
    effective. There are some key points you should mention in your
    letters:

    - Since horses are NOT food animals nor are bred for food or fiber,
    they receive VERY POTENT DRUGS, such as dewormers, painkillers,
    hormones, anti-inflammatory medications, pesticides. non-for-human
    use antibiotics and vaccines THAT BECOME RESIDENT ON THEIR FLESH and
    which are not only VERY STRONG CARCINOGENS but also EXTREMELY TOXIC
    WHEN CONSUMED BY HUMANS. These drugs are already BANNED ON FOOD
    ANIMALS such as cows or pigs and this is clearly stated on their
    packages (not for use in horses intended for food). Horse meat poses
    a great risk for the health of people who eat it abroad and therefore
    lawmakers must not allow the production and exportation of this
    product. Tell Legislators how unconscionable it is to allow a food
    product to be exported for human consumption that simply is not safe
    to be consumed.

    -The argument saying that a ban on horse slaughter will lead to a
    increase on equine abuse is false and ridiculous. Since California
    banned horse slaughter in 1998 equine abuse decreased a so did horse
    theft, which dropped by 34%. Also during the last years the number of
    horses killed has dramatically decreased and this didn´t result on an
    increase on horse abuse or horses being abandoned in fields or
    streets. Tell them that horse slaughter promotes abuse and theft;
    that in Texas, where are located two of the three only horse
    slaughterhouses remaining in the US horse abuse and theft is rampant.

    - Since there is no export tariff on horse meat NO PROFITS FROM THIS
    DISGUSTING INDUSTRY REMAIN IN AMERICA. They are syphoned directly to
    Belgium and France, the home country of the only 2 operative horse
    slaughterhouses remaining in the US. In addition, these plants pays
    NO state taxes. Tell Legislators that horses are more valuable for
    the economy live than dead and how the horse industry really provides
    profits for the community such as money, jobs and investments.

    - Horses in the US are NOT food animals, they are instead pets, like
    dogs or cats and sport, leisure animals. Eating horse in America or
    allowing their slaughter for consumption overseas is ETHICALLY AND
    MORALLY UNACCEPTABLE; that it is just UN-AMERICAN.

    - There are better alternatives to deal with unwanted horses, such as
    rescuing, retraining programs or chemical, painless euthanasia.

    - It is false and ridiculous that banning horse slaughter will lead
    to a ban of the slaughter of food producing animals such as cows,
    pigs or sheeps. Horses are NOT food animals and as such must be
    protected from slaughter.

    We have designed as well a Power Point Presentation exposing the real
    facts about horse slaughter and rebutting the misrepresentations of
    those who support it. You can watch it in the website below, make
    sure all your contacts watch it as well:

    http://www.habitatforhorses.org/news...dfallacies.pps

    If your Senator or Congressman is already a cosponsor, send him
    a "thank you" letter and contact other Congressmen; it does not
    matter you do not reside on their districts because this is a
    national issue since horses slaughtered at the three only horse
    slaughterhouses remaining in the US (two in Texas and other in
    Illinois, all French and Belgian owned) come from all over the
    country, purchased by killer buyers who go from auction to auction
    through several states. Hurry up and start writing today!!!

    You can also help by writing letters to the editor exposing horse
    slaughter to your local and metropolitan papers or by requesting your
    local TV or radio station to make story on it.

    If you need more information about HR 857 and S. 2352 log on to:

    http://www.horse-protection.org
    http://www.saplonline.org/Legislation/ahpa.htm
    http://www.justsaywhoa.org

    Or feel free to email us at fletosojoi@tiscali.es

    PLEASE CROSSPOST THIS MESSAGE EVERYWHERE!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
    YOUR COLLABORATION!!!

    Daniel Cordero Fernandez
    \"I have lived my life-it is nearly done-.I have played the game all round;But I freely admit that the best of my fun I owe it to Horse and Hound\".



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    URGENT ALERT ON HORSE SLAUGHTER!!! CONGRESS PASSED LEGISLATION
    ALLOWING THE SLAUGHTER OF WILD HORSES!!!

    Passed legislation removing protection from slaughter to wild horses!

    Senator Conrad Burns (Republican - Montana) introduced at the
    eleventh hour inside the Omnibus Appropiations Bill language allowing
    the slaughter of wild horses by permitting the Bureau of Land
    Managament (BLM) the sale at livestock auctions of all wild
    horses, "without limitation" (without adoption program, ownership
    title, etc)-- that are either over 10 years old, or who have been put
    up for adoption 3 times, removing the protection from slaughter these
    horses had since 1971 thanks to the passage of the Wild, Free-Roaming
    Horses and Burros Act.

    The consenquences of this measure is that a high number of once
    federally protected wild horses, removed from their land due to the
    pressure of powerful cattle interests that are alloting public lands
    for private use, will end up cruelly slaughtered on three foreign-
    owned horse slaughterhouses for human comsuption in European and
    Asian countries such as Belgium, France and Japan.

    Tragically, it is too late to have this language pulled from the
    Omnibus legislation which will be signed by the President.

    The only way to prevent the slaughter of these horses is by passing
    the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act (HR 857 & S. 2352),
    Federal Legislations which would ban the slaughter of horses in the
    whole country as well as the transportation of horses for slaughter
    across US borders making sure that no American Horse is killed for
    human consumption, neither in the US nor in Mexico or Canada.

    It is vital that Congressmen and Senators receive tons of calls,
    faxes and letters asking them to co-sponsor these bills, showing them
    your dissaproval of the rider allowing the slaughter of wild horses
    and the urgency of getting the American Horse Slaughter Prevention
    Act passed in order to prevent

    THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT! PLEASE, FAX, CALL, WRITE AND EMAIL YOUR
    US SENATORS AND YOUR CONGRESSMAN REQUESTING THEM TO COSPONSOR THE
    AMERICAN HORSE SLAUGHTER PREVENTION ACT (HR 857 & S. 2352). ASK YOUR
    RELATIVES, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS AND WORK/CLASS PARTNERS TO DO THE SAME,
    FORWARD THIS ALERT TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS!

    You can find out who your Congressman and your Senators are and their
    contact info on the following website:

    http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/index.html

    At the end of this message you can find a sample letter in support of
    S. 2352 you can send to your Senators (adapt it when writing to
    Representatives) and a list of their Washington DC's phone and fax
    numbers.

    The best way to contact your Congressman and Senators is by sending a
    letter or a fax to their Washington, DC office. Calls are also
    effective. There are some key points you should mention in your
    letters:

    - Since horses are NOT food animals nor are bred for food or fiber,
    they receive VERY POTENT DRUGS, such as dewormers, painkillers,
    hormones, anti-inflammatory medications, pesticides. non-for-human
    use antibiotics and vaccines THAT BECOME RESIDENT ON THEIR FLESH and
    which are not only VERY STRONG CARCINOGENS but also EXTREMELY TOXIC
    WHEN CONSUMED BY HUMANS. These drugs are already BANNED ON FOOD
    ANIMALS such as cows or pigs and this is clearly stated on their
    packages (not for use in horses intended for food). Horse meat poses
    a great risk for the health of people who eat it abroad and therefore
    lawmakers must not allow the production and exportation of this
    product. Tell Legislators how unconscionable it is to allow a food
    product to be exported for human consumption that simply is not safe
    to be consumed.

    -The argument saying that a ban on horse slaughter will lead to a
    increase on equine abuse is false and ridiculous. Since California
    banned horse slaughter in 1998 equine abuse decreased a so did horse
    theft, which dropped by 34%. Also during the last years the number of
    horses killed has dramatically decreased and this didn´t result on an
    increase on horse abuse or horses being abandoned in fields or
    streets. Tell them that horse slaughter promotes abuse and theft;
    that in Texas, where are located two of the three only horse
    slaughterhouses remaining in the US horse abuse and theft is rampant.

    - Since there is no export tariff on horse meat NO PROFITS FROM THIS
    DISGUSTING INDUSTRY REMAIN IN AMERICA. They are syphoned directly to
    Belgium and France, the home country of the only 2 operative horse
    slaughterhouses remaining in the US. In addition, these plants pays
    NO state taxes. Tell Legislators that horses are more valuable for
    the economy live than dead and how the horse industry really provides
    profits for the community such as money, jobs and investments.

    - Horses in the US are NOT food animals, they are instead pets, like
    dogs or cats and sport, leisure animals. Eating horse in America or
    allowing their slaughter for consumption overseas is ETHICALLY AND
    MORALLY UNACCEPTABLE; that it is just UN-AMERICAN.

    - There are better alternatives to deal with unwanted horses, such as
    rescuing, retraining programs or chemical, painless euthanasia.

    - It is false and ridiculous that banning horse slaughter will lead
    to a ban of the slaughter of food producing animals such as cows,
    pigs or sheeps. Horses are NOT food animals and as such must be
    protected from slaughter.

    We have designed as well a Power Point Presentation exposing the real
    facts about horse slaughter and rebutting the misrepresentations of
    those who support it. You can watch it in the website below, make
    sure all your contacts watch it as well:

    http://www.habitatforhorses.org/news...dfallacies.pps

    If your Senator or Congressman is already a cosponsor, send him
    a "thank you" letter and contact other Congressmen; it does not
    matter you do not reside on their districts because this is a
    national issue since horses slaughtered at the three only horse
    slaughterhouses remaining in the US (two in Texas and other in
    Illinois, all French and Belgian owned) come from all over the
    country, purchased by killer buyers who go from auction to auction
    through several states. Hurry up and start writing today!!!

    You can also help by writing letters to the editor exposing horse
    slaughter to your local and metropolitan papers or by requesting your
    local TV or radio station to make story on it.

    If you need more information about HR 857 and S. 2352 log on to:

    http://www.horse-protection.org
    http://www.saplonline.org/Legislation/ahpa.htm
    http://www.justsaywhoa.org

    Or feel free to email us at fletosojoi@tiscali.es

    PLEASE CROSSPOST THIS MESSAGE EVERYWHERE!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
    YOUR COLLABORATION!!!

    Daniel Cordero Fernandez
    \"I have lived my life-it is nearly done-.I have played the game all round;But I freely admit that the best of my fun I owe it to Horse and Hound\".



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    What a shame and such a step back.
    See how sneaky they can be........11th hour and wealthy cattle ranchers. That's politics for ya....the hell with history, gotta keep those rich constituents happy.
    "Concern for animals is a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." Harriet Beecher Stowe 1811-1896

    Ponies are cool!



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    You know we have "Clowns" down here in Florida who are buying mares and stallions,""to save the breed"". http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...n_confused.gif

    Now that is *******crazy.IMHO.
    \"I have lived my life-it is nearly done-.I have played the game all round;But I freely admit that the best of my fun I owe it to Horse and Hound\".



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    What next???? Eliminate all the kids that haven't been adopted and are taking public money? If only I were rich in $$ I'd buy me a congressman and a senator.
    "Concern for animals is a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." Harriet Beecher Stowe 1811-1896

    Ponies are cool!



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    The consenquences of this measure is that a high number of once
    federally protected wild horses, removed from their land due to the
    pressure of powerful cattle interests that are alloting public lands
    for private use, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    With all due respect, it's not just cattle interests. The 'local' removal on the Roan Plateau area has nothing to do with cattle, everything to do with the oil companies needing all the available surface water to drill oil wells with.

    The horses are being removed, because there are no 'instream' water rights here, it's use it or loose it, legally. Once the drilling gets going, there won't be any free water for the horses. Interesting tho, that they are not removing anything BUT the wild horses. One would think the other wildlife is just as likely to die of thirst.


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    Gasp! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif How cruel!

    *NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE



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    appyhunter - you make a good point - but Im thinking The Belgians, Japs and French arent much into prairie dogs and coyote meat... yet! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_frown.gif
    www.cadoganfarm.com

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    God, what an awful step backwards and so tragic that our country's mustangs will now be feeding wealthy foreigners with a taste for horse meat. It makes me ill. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_frown.gif Wild Horse Annie must have rolled over in her grave. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif



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    SEC. 142 SALE OF WILD FREE-ROAMING HORSES AND BURROS (a) IN GENERAL -
    Section 3 of Public Law 92-195 (16 U.S.C. 1333) is amended -

    (1) in subsection (d) (5), by striking “this section” and all that
    follows
    through the period at the end and inserting “this section”; and
    (2) by adding at the end the following:

    “(e) SALE OF EXCESS ANIMALS. -

    “(1) IN GENERAL. - Any excess animal or the remains of an excess animal
    shall be sold if -

    “(A) the excess animal is more than 10 years of age; or
    “(B) the excess animal has been offered unsuccessfully for adoption at
    least
    3 times.

    “(2) METHOD OF SALE. - An excess animal that meets either of the
    criteria in
    paragraph (1) shall be made available for sale without limitation,
    including
    through auction to the highest bidder, at local sale yards or other
    convenient livestock selling facilities, until such time as -

    “(A) all excess animals offered for sale are sold: or
    “(B) the appropriate management level, as determined by the Secretary,
    is
    attained in all areas occupied by wild free-roaming horses and burros.

    “(3) DISPOSITION OF FUNDS. - Funds generated from the sale of excess
    animals
    under this subsection shall be -

    “(A) credited as an offsetting collection to the Management of Lands
    and
    Resources appropriation for the Bureau of Land Management; and
    “(B) used for the costs relating to the adoption of wild free-roaming
    horses
    and burros, including the costs of marketing such adoption.

    “(4) EFFECT OF SALE. - Any excess animal sold under this provision
    shall no
    longer be considered to be a wild free-roaming horse or burro for
    purposes
    of this Act.”

    (b) CRIMINAL PROVISIONS. - Sections 8(a) (4) of Public Law 92-195 (16
    U.S.C.
    1338 (a) (4)) is amended by inserting “except as provided in section
    3(e),
    “before “processes”.


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    This is tragic. Why? I just don't understand?
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    Sometimes, I am disgusted to be a part of the human race.

    This is one of those times.



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    I am bumping this up!

    I recieved this email from a barefoot group this morning:

    Stealthily tucked within a much larger appropriations bill (HR 4818)
    while no one was watching, Congress approved measures this weekend to
    end 33 years of Federal protection for an America Treasure,
    our "Living Legends" - wild free-roaming horses and burros on public
    lands.

    This bill seems to have broadsided everyone, including many BLM
    personnel, who had drafted their own plans to handle the problem, and
    thought their plan would work. Since both House and Senate have
    already passed it, the only hope left is to get Bush not to sign it -
    which he will do tomorrow, unless enough public outcry can be
    generated within the next less-than-24 hours.

    The Wild Horse & Burro Act was signed into law in 1971, after a long
    campaign led by Velma Johnson, "Wild Horse Annie" and thousands of
    school children. Congress received more mail about wild horses than
    about Viet Nam. In today's crisis-weary world, is this the end for
    America's wild horses?

    LINK to bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/Z?r108:H19NO4-
    0085:e758617:247850 The BLM part is about 1/3 of the way down the
    page.

    I would suggest to EVERYONE you can get hold of, through phone calls,
    e-mails, chat rooms, equestrian sites, etc, anything......get them to
    call the president's comment line, fax letters to the fax number, and
    to e-mail both the president and vice president IMMEDIATELY. Please
    pass on to everyone for immediate action. Currently there are over
    23,000 wild horses in holding facilities within BLM and their
    contract sanctuaries. 1100 new horses are being gathered from the
    Calico Mountains this month and next. If this passes, ALL, could
    potentially be sold to slaughter.

    President Bush president@whitehouse.gov
    VP Cheney vice.president@whitehouse.gov

    202-456-1111 phone
    202-456-2461 fax

    __________________________________________________ ______
    SEC. 142. SALE OF WILD FREE-ROAMING HORSES AND BURROS. (a) IN
    GENERAL.--Section 3 of Public Law 92-195 (16 U.S.C. 1333) is amended--

    (1) in subsection (d)(5), by striking ``this section'' and all
    that follows through the period at the end and inserting ``this
    section.''; and

    (2) by adding at the end the following:

    ``(e) SALE OF EXCESS ANIMALS.--

    ``(1) IN GENERAL.--Any excess animal or the remains of an excess
    animal shall be sold if--

    ``(A) the excess animal is more than 10 years of age; or

    ``(B) the excess animal has been offered unsuccessfully for
    adoption at least 3 times.

    ``(2) METHOD OF SALE.--An excess animal that meets either of the
    criteria in paragraph (1) shall be made available for sale without
    limitation, including through auction to the highest bidder, at local
    sale yards or other convenient livestock selling facilities, until
    such time as--

    ``(A) all excess animals offered for sale are sold; or

    ``(B) the appropriate management level, as determined by the
    Secretary, is attained in all areas occupied by wild free-roaming
    horses and burros.

    [Page: H10306]
    ``(3) DISPOSITION OF FUNDS.--Funds generated from the sale of
    excess animals under this subsection shall be--

    ``(A) credited as an offsetting collection to the Management of
    Lands and Resources appropriation for the Bureau of Land Management;
    and

    ``(B) used for the costs relating to the adoption of wild free-
    roaming horses and burros, including the costs of marketing such
    adoption.

    ``(4) EFFECT OF SALE.--Any excess animal sold under this
    provision shall no longer be considered to be a wild free-roaming
    horse or burro for purposes of this Act.''.

    (b) CRIMINAL PROVISIONS.--Section 8(a)(4) of Public Law 92-195
    (16 U.S.C. 1338(a)(4)) is amended by inserting ``except as provided
    in section 3(e),'' before ``processes''.

    SEC. 143. (a) SHORT TITLE.--This section may be cited as the
    ``Migratory Bird Treaty Reform Act of 2004''.

    (b) EXCLUSION OF NON-NATIVE SPECIES FROM APPLICATION OF CERTAIN
    PROHIBITIONS UNDER MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT.--Section 2 of the
    Migratory Bird Treaty Act (16 U.S.C. 703) is amended--

    (1) in the first sentence by striking ``That unless and except as
    permitted'' and inserting the following: ``(a) IN GENERAL.--Unless
    and except as permitted''; and

    (2) by adding at the end the following:

    ``(b) LIMITATION ON APPLICATION TO INTRODUCED SPECIES.--

    ``(1) IN GENERAL.--This Act applies only to migratory bird
    species that are native to the United States or its territories.

    ``(2) NATIVE TO THE UNITED STATES DEFINED.--

    ``(A) IN GENERAL.--Subject to subparagraph (B), in this
    subsection the term ``native to the United States or its
    territories'' means occurring in the United States or its territories
    as the result of natural biological or ecological processes.

    ``(B) TREATMENT OF INTRODUCED SPECIES.--For purposes of paragraph
    (1), a migratory bird species that occurs in the United States or its
    territories solely as a result of intentional or unintentional human-
    assisted introduction shall not be considered native to the United
    States or it territories unless--

    I have emailed both the president and vice-president on this matter and I hope others will too. We may have 24 hours to get our voices heard!



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    The anti-slaughter bill only stops slaughter for HUMAN Consumption. They use horse to feed the animals in zoos and lot of other animal preserves.

    Is it your objection that foreigners will eat horse? They will anyway whether they are our horses or not. You don't want excess animals hunted, you don't want to support them by taking them home. We have moved into their habitat and eliminated the predators that would have culled the herds.

    Our society doesn't mind supporting children until they grow up with our tax money but they aren't going to do that for animals that are in such an excess they endanger the community of man. They can't kill them and bury them because that could endanger the water supply. What would you have then do? Too many grazing animals will strip the land and trees and turn the wildreness into a wasteland. What do you want them to do? If we want oil to heat our houses run our generators and engines and we don't want to spend money on alternate options what do you want them to do?

    When gasoline prices went sky high you all cried foul we want our gas and we want it cheap. So what is that you really want more?



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    That whole bill is a nightmare. It's something like 14 inches thick. No one person has read it all.

    Another provision that was slipped in was one that allows certain senators to view any tax return by any taxpayer, without giving a reason. No one seems to know what it is even for, and it wasn't until after the bill was passed that people figured out who had put it in. Who knows what else is in there.

    This kind of backdoor legislating infuriates me. AND, these are MY horses on MY land as a taxpayer. We worked hard to keep these horses from being slaughtered and they should remain protected. I will be writing my congressman and senators about trying to get this provision overturned.

    Sadly, I think this is some of the "political capital" that the republican party has decided to spend, in support of the idea that public natural resources should all be for sale to the highest bidder. Unfortunately, mustangs are a natural resource. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_frown.gif
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    And do you believe that the Democrats have never passed any pork in any legislation? There is afirmative action to take. Manure can run electric generators. Work with me to get manure a valuable by-product with a sales market and well fed fat mustangs will be worth more alive than dead.

    Farmland would be safe and our Bill of Rights will not be in jeopardy. Manure is a valuable asset and not just garbage. Write and tell the President you want alternative fuel research so that manure is valuable to the economy. It is prefossilized fuel. It is abundant and it's cheap.



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    Just sent my email to both Bush and Cheney. We'll see...



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Two Toofs:
    And in stark contrast, http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/tod...50917&subsec=1 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Two Toofs, as soon as I saw a post on that, I felt sick. That, unfortunately, has been the modus operendi of this administration. A big, public to-do honoring something while behind closed doors....

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