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    Okay, I am hooked. I saw a special on RFD-TV featuring a carriage parade, somewheres down south. A fellow was driving a pair of what appeared to be pony-clydes (maybe 13-14H high). The announcer called them a team of Mini-Clydesdales. Same shape, color, size, as full-grown Clydes, full feathers and all.

    Was this just a freakey small team, or does someone breed theses things. I want! I want!

    Been thinking all month on how one would go about breeding such a thing! With land prices sky-high, and horse farms ever-shrinking in size, how cool would it be to have mini-draught horses!!!!

    I am a HUGE fan of Halflingers, someone get me a mini-Clyde!!!!



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    Okay, I am hooked. I saw a special on RFD-TV featuring a carriage parade, somewheres down south. A fellow was driving a pair of what appeared to be pony-clydes (maybe 13-14H high). The announcer called them a team of Mini-Clydesdales. Same shape, color, size, as full-grown Clydes, full feathers and all.

    Was this just a freakey small team, or does someone breed theses things. I want! I want!

    Been thinking all month on how one would go about breeding such a thing! With land prices sky-high, and horse farms ever-shrinking in size, how cool would it be to have mini-draught horses!!!!

    I am a HUGE fan of Halflingers, someone get me a mini-Clyde!!!!



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    I think someone on this board breeds them. They are in Fla? I loff them also
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    Ohmigod - mini clydes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUST SEE THEM!



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    OH MY GOSH! I MUST have one!! Who has these?!?!?!



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    The American Draft Pony Association appears to be promoting the kind of horses you want.

    While there are legitimate pony draft breeds, I am not sure I like the idea of producing "miniature Clydesdales". Horses are not poodles. This seems to me to be pandering to human vanity and turning horses into a "fashion accessory" to make you feel good.
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    Yeah, but oh, my gosh do they sound so cute!!!
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    I do believe that regular, normal, everday miniature horses were "bred down" to get the result that people wanted. Why not drafts?



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    I can't seem to find a website for them. Anyone have a link besides the draft pony one?



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    His Greyness... I think you need to be a bit more realistic here. There was no such thing as Clydesdales until they were bred to fit a certain human want/need (Pandering maybe?). They ARE like poodles. They are pets and property. People will breed any animal to "build" something they want or to fill a demand. It is not like they were the pure breed of horse and not bred to a set of specific parameters to suit humans.

    I think a pair of mini Clydes would be gorgeous, fill a need, and have a home in my barn as soon as I can find them. I can picture a 1/2 or 3/4 size hitch/freight wagon in a smaller size with the white feathers flying and the white blazes nodding in the sun....

    No doubt about it.... I'm ready! I can call my mini hitch wagon and mini Clyde team BUD LITE!!!

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    I've seen some advertised as Clyde-lite on the draftsforsale.com site. You can search just under Clydes, or search by state.

    DOn, I got to drive again today! I'm hooked!FYI, this was only lesson #2.



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    Look, I am not advocating a "fad" here. I am not looking to breed for $. I just love drafts, but want "smaller" ones. Not freakishly small minis, just a draft horse in a more manageable size.

    A 17 - 18 H horse is just too much.

    We all agree, horse-keeping is expensive. Land prices are a premium, and not to mention no farrier wants to shoe full size drafts.

    You have to modify your barns for Clydes, get a bigger trailer and a supesized truck to pull them.

    I want a team of Clydes on a quarter-pony budget.

    Why not?



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    Hello everyone. I registered on here quite awhile ago, but sort of forgot about it. I find it again, and had to chuckle at the topic!
    My name is Mary and I'm from eastern Iowa.
    I'm raising two - Halley is 2 this year and her full brother Huckleberry is 1. They are out of a small clyde mare and our little haflinger/perch cross stallion. They should mature about 14 hands. Guess I'll have to get some pictures posted somewhere!



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    Mary - DO POST DO POST! Feel free to email me personally at drdianne_97@yahoo.com

    I want to chat more about your breeding, etc. Where did you find a Hal/Perch stallion. WOW!



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    Wow...mini-Clydes...who would have thought.

    It reminds me (going a bit off-topic here)of the comic Strip "Non Sequiter" by Wiley, which for several months had an on-going story about "Lucy" the miniature Clydesdale and Danae (the little girl who features prominently in the strip). I always thought that the "mini Clyde" thing was a humorous fiction until reading this thread...Who knew??

    Rick in VA



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    Actually, if folks just started breeding to the old breed standard, Clydes would be at least 2 hands shorter. When I was but a lass, Shires were considered the largest of the drafts at around 17~ hands. Clydes and other drafts were routinely smaller, then folks started breeding up, under the theory that bigger is better. The old normal size Clyde would probably look like a pony today and no problems with the harnesses and carts.



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    Okay, I'VE FOUND THEM!!!!!

    Clydesdale -Lights

    http://www.geocities.com/clydelights/home

    In Micanopy, FLA.

    I WANT I WANT!



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    Okay... Does anyone know where there are Percherons in this size? A website would be great if you have one. Thanks.



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    Actually, I found a few. Google Ohio Draft Pony Association.
    There were percherons crossed to welsh ponies - very cute!!!!!



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">A 17 - 18 H horse is just too much. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    For who? :-) I happily ride a big belgian who is about 18hh. My riding buddy rides only friesians and they're in the 17hh range. Not everyone wants a pony or is light enough to sit on a thin-boned light horse. I also love the feathers, the nice size (I'm almost 5'10 myself), and the mellow temperament.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We all agree, horse-keeping is expensive. Land prices are a premium, and not to mention no farrier wants to shoe full size drafts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Just because a horse is twice the weight as a little TB or arab doesn't mean it'll take twice as much land, food, and work to keep him.

    My farrier HAPPILY does my belgian draft's feet. How well behaved means alot more to a farrier than how big the feet are. A nasty pony can take twice as long. Many of the drafts I meet are "cold" temperament - not hyper, spooky, flighty, or fiesty. I'd far rather deal with a calm 2000lb horse than a flighty OTTB at only 12000 lbs.

    Also keep in mind draft feet are often thicker & stronger: less often needing shoes except for the heaviest work, less likely to throw shoe due to thin hoof horn... just plain thick and tough

    The reason some farrier decline doing drafts are either (1) the farrier is too cheap to spend the money on the larger tools or (2) theyve never dealt with drafts and are intimidated by the size.

    For some odd reason some people are really intimidated by the size of really huge horses.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> You have to modify your barns for Clydes, get a bigger trailer and a supesized truck to pull them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Not! Most barns will fit a draft. Some working drafts spend a great deal of time in standing stalls (don't know the right word for them?) which are basically just wide enough for the horse to stand there & get to the hay. Those who want full size stalls for drafts can fit them comfortable in about a 12x12 area (alot depends on the owner's preference). Drafts don't mind living outside, even in cold weather, so they don't require being stalled.

    My draft shares the same run-in shed as my QH... not really an oversized or special shed.

    My "supersize" trailer is just a larger 2-horse bumperpull trailer, no special 'draft' trailer required. There is enough width & head clearance if you look at the bigger 'warmblood' type or stock trailers. My "supersize" truck is a Ford Ranger sized vehicle (Mazda b3000). I am well within the towing weight/capacity of the truck & trailer when I take my Belgian places.

    Not trying to start an arguement... it's just that I own & ride a draft and I wanted to correct any misconceptions about them.

    I don't see anything wrong with minature breeds per se, but I have to wonder what the point is of crossing a clyde with a tiny horse and expecting a really usable result in the 1st generation. Clydes are bred with a specific conformation in mind, designed for heavy slow pulling. Ponies and minis have different proportions and were bred for a different purpose. Cross the two and it might look cute from a distance but it might also have really wonky conformation, making the horse an inefficient hitch animal (even for little wagons).

    If you want a true draft but don't want a 18hh horse, there are lots of options. Older belgian and percheron lines were often smaller (look at pics of belgians 100 yrs ago); some of these still are out there. There are also cobs which can be very pretty (eg. "Gypsy vanner" cobs) and well suited for pulling a wagon. Fjords are also very small (some closer to pony in size) but still stocky. No need to shrink down a big draft when there are already beautiful smaller draft horses out there.



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