The Chronicle of the Horse
MagazineNewsHorse SportsHorse CareCOTH StoreVoicesThe Chronicle UntackedDirectoriesMarketplaceDates & Results
 
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 41 to 53 of 53
  1. #41
    Join Date
    Oct. 5, 2008
    Location
    The Wild West
    Posts
    621

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonharte8 View Post
    Addressing this thread:
    Mouthing off negatively about Spirit Bridle clearly demonstrates ignorance or just plain bulling.
    I see what you mean. But I think the mouthing off has to do with the way you respond to people in the past and claims that you make that have no real support - like how damaging dressage is, dressage tack, dressage riders, etc. You don't like to feel attacked, neither do dressage riders/trainers/breeders.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonharte8 View Post
    I have a whole lot of satisfied clients and horses........I do not have the financial means to market the way others do. I have to do my marketing by word of mouth and one on one connecting.
    Marketing is as simple as telling the truth and highlighting the stregnths of your product. Like you do when you talk about the quality of the bridle leather, stitching, etc. It's not claiming that your product is a huge fix for all horses. Your ad makes it sounds like all horse problems will go away with the use of your bridle, and that horses will suddenly use their backs and hind ends if they wear your bridle. Do you believe that? DO you really think that the bridle has more influence over the use of the back than the quality of the rider and the fit of the saddle? That's how your ad sounds.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonharte8 View Post
    As for credibility of the Micklem claims,other claims by other bitless bridles, and my claims about Spirit Bridle - - well;
    You see it is quite easy to prove or disprove.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonharte8 View Post
    I have set forth the challenge to gather scientific data regarding claims of the bitless bridles, however, no one really wants to accept.
    You posted on your website that you want sponsors to come in and test your bridle with no actual protocol or study design. Who is supposed to study your bridle? Who have you approached for study? Who's going to touch that when you seem so biased about the outcome you want?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonharte8 View Post
    The day shall come when some of you, but not all, may be willing to recognize I do know of what I speak.
    You criticize people but have no obvious credentials yourself. Your website doesn't help. I can tell you all that I was long listed for the Olympics but until I produce the video or the scores/standings, I can be just talking. If you're not just talking, prove it. Help us to understand your skill level in real terms.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonharte8 View Post
    I just ask one thing of you all, bash away at SB and me, but please refrain from bashing my clients.
    Prove yourself and your product. Otherwise, people will go to anything you choose to post that supports your supposed knowledge of dressage and training dressage horses. YOU posted your client's feedback about you but there's nothing about you. Protect your clients yourself by proving you are a dressage trainer/rider. Help us to understand that your clients are knowledgeable people whose feedback can be trusted. C'mon - anyone can say anything about themselves or anything else on the internet. Savvy people want to see the difference between the posers and the real deal. If you're the real deal, prove it.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonharte8 View Post
    Have a great evening.
    Allan
    You too, Allan!



  2. #42
    Join Date
    Apr. 17, 2002
    Location
    between the barn and the pond
    Posts
    14,495

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Beasmom View Post
    Doesn't look that way to me. Rein pressure = pressure on bridle. Released rein pressure = released pressure on bridle. The design looks more comfortable for the horse than yours. Just because the Micklem fits snugly doesn't mean it's uncomfortable for the horse. William Micklem has better credentials than you do.

    So the money's not going to YOU!

    Keep "advertising" and get banned. Please.
    I'll shake my spirit butt if that comes to fruition.

    Fruit, dammit, fruit!



  3. #43
    Join Date
    May. 20, 2005
    Location
    Desert Southwest
    Posts
    6,309

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonharte8 View Post
    (Quoting rainechyldes)Just because an item is padded, isn't going to reduce the downward pressure caused by a leverage action - just saying.. it's simple physics. Bad advertising if they suggest such a thing.

    No such claim has ever been made about Spirit Bridle because Spirit Bridle does not have a padded crown and such a statement regarding pressure is false advertising.
    In a conventional bridle the only way the downward pressure on the poll can be released is by releasing the pressures being applied to the cheek straps and and bit/bits. In a bridle with the cross under the jaw rein technology, release of the poll pressure comes only from softening the rein contact.
    Um, Allan, she wasn't talking about YOUR bridle; she was talking about the Micklem. Sometimes you are NOT the center of attention in a posting.

    I don't see any "leverage" in the Micklem, but will report back later once I have the item in hand and have used it.

    Come to think of it, if the Micklem is approved for dressage, as such a "radical" design, it may open the doors for other "non-traditional" bridles.



  4. #44
    Join Date
    Jun. 13, 2001
    Location
    usa
    Posts
    6,136

    Default

    The purpose of a mecklem bridle is to be able to stabilize the bit from acting on the bars on very sensitive horses, and it works quite well, it does NOT crank the jaw shut, and it allows the horse to go w/o a noseband. (And I have tried both the sb and use the micklem on some (retraining) horses.)
    I.D.E.A. yoda



  5. #45
    Join Date
    Apr. 22, 2011
    Posts
    385

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaluna View Post
    Your ad makes it sounds like all horse problems will go away with the use of your bridle, and that horses will suddenly use their backs and hind ends if they wear your bridle. Do you believe that? DO you really think that the bridle has more influence over the use of the back than the quality of the rider and the fit of the saddle? That's how your ad sounds.



  6. #46
    Join Date
    Jul. 25, 2003
    Location
    Boston Area
    Posts
    8,496

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ideayoda View Post
    The purpose of a mecklem bridle is to be able to stabilize the bit from acting on the bars on very sensitive horses, and it works quite well, it does NOT crank the jaw shut, and it allows the horse to go w/o a noseband. (And I have tried both the sb and use the micklem on some (retraining) horses.)
    I believe that he was talking about the bitless options of the Micklem bridle.
    Equine Ink - My soapbox for equestrian writings & reviews.
    EquestrianHow2 - Operating instructions for your horse.



  7. #47
    Join Date
    Feb. 6, 2003
    Location
    Deep South
    Posts
    14,935

    Default

    Is "bulling" like dogging ?
    ... _. ._ .._. .._



  8. #48
    Join Date
    Jan. 1, 2008
    Posts
    4,916

    Default

    That bridle (or whatever it is) suspiciously looks like a contraption that a cutting horse trainer in Texas used to use. This would have been about 30 years ago, though. I don't remember it exactly, but I do recall riding a horse at his ranch while using it.

    I don't see anything special about it. I could probably rig up something similar with leftover stuff I have in my tack room. I could probably do that for free. (If I was interested.)



  9. #49
    Join Date
    Dec. 31, 2009
    Location
    The Great Plains of Canada
    Posts
    3,066

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Grey_hunter View Post
    For $169.00, you can majikally fix all your problems. Who could say no?


    http://cgi.ebay.com/Spirit-Bridle-Br...ht_1631wt_1189
    Wait... did you start this thread JUST to bash a bitless bridle???

    I have one very similar that works fabulous and there certainly is room for bitless bridles for certain people, certain horses, certain circumstances, etc. Albeit this one IS more expensive...

    If it's not about the bridle, honestly imo it's pretty petty to start a thread to bash the bridle due to dislike of the proprietor
    ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
    ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.



  10. #50
    Join Date
    Feb. 6, 2003
    Location
    NorthEast
    Posts
    24,668

    Default

    I think the OP was starting the thread not about the price or that it's a bitless bridle but about the claims made in the Ebay ad of all the things the bridle does.
    Which, frankly, aren't very believable.
    You jump in the saddle,
    Hold onto the bridle!
    Jump in the line!
    ...Belefonte



  11. #51
    Join Date
    Jan. 1, 2008
    Posts
    4,916

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by naturalequus View Post
    Wait... did you start this thread JUST to bash a bitless bridle???

    I have one very similar that works fabulous and there certainly is room for bitless bridles for certain people, certain horses, certain circumstances, etc. Albeit this one IS more expensive...

    If it's not about the bridle, honestly imo it's pretty petty to start a thread to bash the bridle due to dislike of the proprietor
    I used to ride western. Lots of bitless alternatives used. My favorite on my cutting horses was a side pull.

    People probably do dislike the proprietor. I think he gives them good cause. That doesn't mean they can't find fault with his "bridle." It's a separate issue.



  12. #52
    Join Date
    Dec. 31, 2009
    Location
    The Great Plains of Canada
    Posts
    3,066

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Fish View Post
    It's a separate issue.
    I guess I just don't buy that (for the most part, I'm sure for some it certainly is), hence the reason I commented.
    ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
    ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.



  13. #53
    Join Date
    Feb. 22, 2007
    Posts
    3,928

    Default

    I have a bridle that looks suspiciously similar that I made out of spare bits and rope in about half an hour (actually, the one on eBay is much prettier, but functionally they're the same ). Actually, I do really like it and one of my horses goes substantially better in it than any other bitless options. She goes nicely in a bit, too, but she's an endurance horse and I prefer to do long rides bitless if possible.

    It's pretty awful for dressage, though. I mean, you can get around the ring in it, but it's pretty much the opposite of the kind of bridle you want for dressage. And I say this as someone who is hardly a purist. I'd guess that the miracle results are largely due to the fact that it makes people with uneducated hands get out of their horse's mouth. Most horses do move better when they're not having their mouths dragged on, after all.



Similar Threads

  1. Oh Lord!! Spirit what have you done?
    By Weighaton in forum Off Course
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: Jan. 22, 2011, 11:04 PM
  2. Spirit of 29
    By Muleskick in forum Racing
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: Oct. 20, 2010, 12:41 AM
  3. Anyone tried the Red Barn KL Select Spirit Hunter Bridle?
    By HunterEquJumper in forum Hunter/Jumper
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: Jul. 16, 2009, 08:34 PM
  4. Sailor's Spirit
    By Esprit in forum Sport Horse Breeding
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: Nov. 3, 2008, 06:30 PM
  5. Sailors Spirit..
    By tBHj in forum Sport Horse Breeding
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: Jul. 31, 2008, 10:01 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
randomness