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    Default 1 y/o Dobe/Rott experiencing urinary incontinence issues

    My 1y/o spayed Dobe/Rott (or well, she could be either, dunno what she is really... too thick to be a Dobe but somebody bothered to crop her ears and dock her tail) had been experiencing urinary incontinence issues over the past few days. It happens when she is asleep... she'll wake up in a puddle of urine. She isn't aware that it is happening, and it doesn't happen every time she sleeps. She is eating, drinking, running around, acting totally normal. She went to the vet last night and we ruled out a UTI issue. They also said they ran the ultrasound over her and saw no stones. She has had the issue again today even after starting meds.. which I guess isn't uncommon but I am worried that if this worsens it will indicate something worse is happening.

    She's only 1 year old. I read that this problem happens fairly commonly in spayed Dobes?
    I guess we'll know the real answer if and when the meds kick in but.... any ideas?



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    Hi there.

    I am sorry to hear that your poor buddy is experiencing this. I grew up with danes, which are not related to the breed you are dealing with; however, they are both susceptible to spine related issues, namely wobblers. Your dog is a mix (this is ususally purely a dobe issue), and in my estimation, is too young to be dealing with wobblers proper, but best to be aware of it regardless.

    Our three-year old dane started having incontinence issues in the house, and we thought it was behavioral. It turned out that he had an impingement in his spine, which was having an impact on the signals to his hind end. This resulted in the occasional "pee" where he would not even know it was happening. I would not panic; I am only mentioning this because you said the dog is part dobe. Just something to think about, even going forward.


    If the meds aren't working, I would recommend an x-ray of the spine. If the meds don't have an impact, then next step would involve taking a look from an anatomical perspective.

    Good luck, and please extend a smooch to your pal.

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    Spay incontinence is also a possibility. Not terribly common, but not particularly rare, either.

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    My dear departed Labbie girl had spay incontinence. She spent several years on PPO (which worked well, no ill effects, and she ate in her food), and then I tried gradually tapering down the dose until she was off it totally for the last 5 or 6 years of her life.



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    I'm dealing with a similar issue, with my pure bred 4 year old Dobe female. She had the exact symptoms you describe, it was definitely not a behavioral issue. She also seemed fatigued, as I'm sure you know they're high energy creatures. Turns out she's has hypothyroidism. So we put her on thyroid/bladder control meds. Did they check her thyroid levels? Might be worth a shot.

    PS - I love your blog and have been reading for quite some time. First thing I thought when I saw her picture was dobie. Good ones are solid, not the thin weedy dogs you see tons of in the conformation ring



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    I don't want to give you false hope, but two things that are worth a try as they are relatively cheap and non-invasive - I have a 3 year old Great Dane who started becoming incontinent in her sleep about 6 months ago. I was beside myself as she pretty much lives on the couch . She tested negative for UTI, although she's been very prone to them since I've had her, and has always had an unusually high amount of crystals in her urine despite all of our efforts to increase her water intake, change her diet, etc. Turns out that I live in an area w/ high mineral content in the water, plus have plumbing that is original to my 1926 condo. Gave her distilled water ONLY for a few weeks, then put a PUR filter on my faucet - after 2 months, she had the first urinalysis ever with zero crystals. Resolved part of the incontinence problem. However, my real solution is chiropractic - have a friend who is a vet and chiropractor, and initially adjusted Ella only because we were having dinner together. I realized later that it had "fixed" her incontinence issue, and as it turns out, it has some type of nerve cause, and as long as she gets adjusted every 3-4 weeks (gradually stretching out to longer), she has no problems. I would never want to imply that's the cause for every dog, but it's worth a shot - I am so happy to not be medicating her to fix this issue.



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    Spay incontinence is pretty common in spayed females. I deal with it with my female, Piper. Hers is very sporadic; sometimes, she'll go a month without an accident, other times, she'll have one once a week.

    We tried Proin on her with HORRIBLE results.. it was like I poisoned her after only giving her one pill. She turned bright red, and vomited at least 10 times 2 1/2hrs. after taking it. So, no more of that!

    There's another option, called DES, that I haven't tried yet. It's basically estrogen. There are homeopathic remedies as well.. I've heard soy milk can help, but I haven't tried it on Piper yet.
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    We had on collie on Proin for 9 years. Worked like a charm, no bad side effects for her. We now have a male lab on it too. It's the only thing that works for him, vet says he's one in a million (he is).
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    Our female golden mix had spay incontinence as well, and pro-in did the trick, too. I forget what her original dosage was, but after 6 months we were able to give her half, then soon after that, she was off it completely. She will occasionally have an accident if she's had a particularly exciting/eventful day, but I think she's grown out of the worst of it.
    It was the same as yours tho, in that she would wake up soaking... And then submissively wag her tail like crazy when we tried cleaning her off, slinging urine in every direction. That was pleasant!



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    My brittany was diagnosed with pelvic bladder, a congenital defect where the bladder is too far down in the pelvis. She was a bed wetter as a pup, I had to take her to a specialist to diagnose the issue.

    She is 13 years old now, and has been on Proin her entire life to help with the problem, it does work, and to make sure she gets to go out to empty her bladder every 2-3 hours and before bedtime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookah View Post
    I don't want to give you false hope, but two things that are worth a try as they are relatively cheap and non-invasive - I have a 3 year old Great Dane who started becoming incontinent in her sleep about 6 months ago. I was beside myself as she pretty much lives on the couch . She tested negative for UTI, although she's been very prone to them since I've had her, and has always had an unusually high amount of crystals in her urine despite all of our efforts to increase her water intake, change her diet, etc. Turns out that I live in an area w/ high mineral content in the water, plus have plumbing that is original to my 1926 condo. Gave her distilled water ONLY for a few weeks, then put a PUR filter on my faucet - after 2 months, she had the first urinalysis ever with zero crystals. Resolved part of the incontinence problem. However, my real solution is chiropractic - have a friend who is a vet and chiropractor, and initially adjusted Ella only because we were having dinner together. I realized later that it had "fixed" her incontinence issue, and as it turns out, it has some type of nerve cause, and as long as she gets adjusted every 3-4 weeks (gradually stretching out to longer), she has no problems. I would never want to imply that's the cause for every dog, but it's worth a shot - I am so happy to not be medicating her to fix this issue.
    This ^^ is more related to the spinal issues that I mentioned. Sounds like that is likely not the cause, but interesting about the chiro. Back when Aspen was having his episodes, I wish Chiro had been more available for pets. Sigh.



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