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    Default Bit Legality Question

    A trainer recently recommended that I try my FEI horse in a mullen mouth rubber snaffle instead of his KK.

    I'd like to get something like the HS Duo or the Nathe since they are somewhat shaped and more flexibile/softer. I also saw a shaped Happy Mouth in the catalog that looked interesting. I read the rulebook and it seems like these are not legal. Has anyone confirmed this? Am I stuck with either the straight Happy Mouth or the straight black rubber dogbone?

    Thanks!



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    shaped happy mouth for sure is not legal.
    I can't remember if mullen mouths in general are legal... I think they are just no ports or wonky shapes or latex/rubber.
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    The Duo bit is legal. I showed in it all last year.
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    This USEF document
    http://www.usef.org/documents/FormsP...entBooklet.pdf
    hs some pictures that should clarify the rules.

    But, no, "shaped" snaffles are not allowed.

    But "rubber covered" is fine (as long as they were manufactured that way.

    It looks as if "flexible" snaffles are legal theough 4th level, but not for FEI levels.

    So are mullen mouths in general (number 6 in the snaffle diagram and 9 in the bridoon diagram).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janet View Post
    This USEF document
    http://www.usef.org/documents/FormsP...entBooklet.pdf
    hs some pictures that should clarify the rules.

    ...But, no, "shaped" snaffles are not allowed.
    Are bits like the "comfort" snaffles allowed?
    http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp?pn=X1-01300

    From page 9 of the document:"The mouthpiece of a snaffle, may be shaped in a slight curve, but ported snaffles are prohibited."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyHorse View Post
    Are bits like the "comfort" snaffles allowed?
    http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp?pn=X1-01300

    From page 9 of the document:"The mouthpiece of a snaffle, may be shaped in a slight curve, but ported snaffles are prohibited."
    Pg 16 shows curved snaffles that are legal,
    Pg 17 shows curved snaffles that are not legal.

    Your link looks (to me) like the legal one on pg 16.

    But is that a roller in the middle?
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    The shaped happy mouth with the two bumps is not legal. They do make a plain straight bit.

    There are plastic mullens that are flexible (Nathe, Duo) and some that are rigid (happy mouth).

    The Duo comes in both the D and O styles, with different sizes for each.

    The Duo is a nice bit and I quite like it. It can get teeth marks if you are not careful with it... though that's true for any non-stainless steel bit.
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    Thanks all. Janet- that guide is very helpful, but I'm afraid it raised even more questions.

    If I understand this right, 1.A on page 10 shows the bits that are legal for intro-fourth. I.B.1 shows the curbs and bradoons that are legal for 3rd-FEI. I.B.2 shows the snaffles that are legal at FEI. Is that right?

    Here's what I gather...

    HS Duo loose ring/Nathe - legal for intro-fourth (unless you consider it ported?). Not legal for FEI as snaffle or bradoon.

    Happy Mouth shaped loose ring - not legal for anything

    HS WH ultra or ultra soft - CDI only as snaffle or bradoon

    non-shaped mullen mouth - legal for intro - fourth (1.A), legal for FEI as snaffle I.B (not legal as bradoon?)

    KK loose ring snaffle with "wings" - legal intro-fourth, FEI ??, CDI ??

    Anyone agree or disagree?



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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyHorse View Post
    Are bits like the "comfort" snaffles allowed?
    http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp?pn=X1-01300

    From page 9 of the document:"The mouthpiece of a snaffle, may be shaped in a slight curve, but ported snaffles are prohibited."
    The comfort snaffle is legal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janet View Post
    Your link looks (to me) like the legal one on pg 16.

    But is that a roller in the middle?
    My bit is a French link. I used that photo just to show the curve. I was starting to worry that I was using an illegal bit!
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    Those martingales were so taut, you could play Ode to Joy on them with a comb



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    Does anyone know why the KK bits with the roller in the middle are only legal in certain classes?



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