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    I recently saw a video and couple of pics of a Draft/WB cross by Waterford (Hanoverian) - it was a 2 year old, and a lovely mover. It was a heavier type 2 year old, but well proportioned and light on its feet. I'm not sure I'd look for anything too light - you could end up with something huge bodied but too light in the bone - too divergent types don't always make a nice "medium" offspring.

    If she's crossed well to Saddlebreds in the past, why not look for a nice, sport type Saddlebred? You know that cross works!

    Edgar, here on COTH, has several Warmblood boys - you might ask him if he's crossed any of his boys to a draft type horse...



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    I LOVE Oskar! He'd be a nice choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EquineLVR View Post
    A Fine Romance

    LOVE him, I wish I had a suitable mare
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    Freestyle and Yeager were also suggested and I like both, very much but I spoke with Joe Pimental today and he himself crossed Oskar on a Percheron mare he had with spectacular results and since Oskar is 21 and not getting any younger, I think I'm going to go ahead and use him. Thank you for all the input though.
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    Fantastic! Looking forward to seeing photos of your foal next year.



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    I loved this foal by our homozygous stallion, Counterclaim, out of a Percheron mare....Counterclaim is 75% TB, 16.2 and I think crosses fantasticly on a heavier mare..........
    (this is the black and white)

    The bay pinto lovely filly is owned by Janet Wilson of Pinetop (eventing) in Thompson, GA........by Claim to Fame out of a Clydesdale/TB mare. This is a LOVELY filly who Janet says has perfect conformation and gets lots of compliments from dressage and eventing folks!! Shown here as a yearling, Janet just told me she's even prettier as a two year old and has never had an "ugly" period!! Claim to Fame is an Oldenburg, but has a lot of TB in there and lovely refined conformation!
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    I am not sure how much height you need to retain but I have really wanted to see a cross out a heavy boned WB mare or a nice draft with Empire's Power. http://empirespower.com/empirespower.htm

    He has sired black too which means he is either heterozygous for agouti or negative for agouti. He adds pretty and incredible movement with correct legs and beautiful necks and toplines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladybug Hill
    I am not sure how much height you need to retain but I have really wanted to see a cross out a heavy boned WB mare or a nice draft with Empire's Power.
    I actually would like to see that as well. I told Patti some time ago that his impact would be crossed with horse mares due to his height. I've seen some nice ones this year! I'd push that market a bunch if it were me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by equusnight View Post
    River Oaks, your boy is gorgeous!
    Thank you

    FCF, good luck with Oskar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by florida foxhunter View Post
    I loved this foal by our homozygous stallion, Counterclaim, out of a Percheron mare....Counterclaim is 75% TB, 16.2 and I think crosses fantasticly on a heavier mare..........
    (this is the black and white)

    The bay pinto lovely filly is owned by Janet Wilson of Pinetop (eventing) in Thompson, GA........by Claim to Fame out of a Clydesdale/TB mare. This is a LOVELY filly who Janet says has perfect conformation and gets lots of compliments from dressage and eventing folks!! Shown here as a yearling, Janet just told me she's even prettier as a two year old and has never had an "ugly" period!! Claim to Fame is an Oldenburg, but has a lot of TB in there and lovely refined conformation!
    I really like Counterclaim too and had actually visited your website again just this past Friday considering him, but since I'm really hoping for some great dressage potential and Oskar won't be available a whole lot longer, that persuaded me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticOakRanch View Post
    If she's crossed well to Saddlebreds in the past, why not look for a nice, sport type Saddlebred? You know that cross works!
    I know, if it works, don't fix it, but I have been curious if she would also produce well with a lighter warmblood and since I have (or will) two GG's out of her, wanted to see what I will get. She is just ten so if I want to go the Saddlebred route again, there is time.
    Let us ride together; blowing mane and hair; careless of the weather; miles ahead of care...Fat Cat Farm Sport Horses



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    Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaBred View Post
    I actually would like to see that as well. I told Patti some time ago that his impact would be crossed with horse mares due to his height. I've seen some nice ones this year! I'd push that market a bunch if it were me.
    Thank you Virginia Bred and Ladybug.
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    Why don't you take a look at Innkeeper by Secretariat. He is now standing at Virginia Tech in VA. He's a wonderful TB and produced a very nice elegant Oldenburg mare out of our SWB mare. He has a super personality and temperament and is also very handsome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticOakRanch View Post
    Edgar, here on COTH, has several Warmblood boys - you might ask him if he's crossed any of his boys to a draft type horse...
    Based on your criteria, I was thinking Pablo. All of the horses I've seen by him have been lovely, modern types of medium size and very elegant. Nothing big and heavy.

    Westporte is another one to look at if you change your mind. He is mostly used for hunter breeding, but is dressage bred, and all of his offspring I've seen have all been lovely, elegant, good movers who are very pretty to look at.



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    I have to ask.....????? Did you use Oskar? He is a very fine boy and would LOVE to see your results
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    Not this year. It's been dreadfully hot here and my mare actually stopped sweating two weeks prior to foaling and has been on meds since to keep her sweating. She foaled and delivered this year's foal fine, but I spoke with Joe Pimentel and decided to try for early spring next year instead. I just don't have the heart to put the big, black mare through another midsummer heavy pregnancy.
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    Glad it all worked out for you! and I agree with you on the breeding end of things. I can't even imagine having a foal in this type of heat that we've been having!!!
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    The foal has actually done very well. Our pastures have lots of shady oak trees and the property gradually slopes down hill, so particularly the pasture the two mares and foal are in, gets alot of shade. It's Mom who has been having such a hard time with the heat. The colt just snoozes the day away and is active morning and evening.

    Another thing I've noticed, the flies are not nearly as bad now as I suspect the extreme heat kills all the larvae. The gnats can be particularly bad here in spring and they get into any opening and exacerbate any wound. So at least we're not having to contend with those in late summer. But the heat and humidity have indeed been brutal.
    Let us ride together; blowing mane and hair; careless of the weather; miles ahead of care...Fat Cat Farm Sport Horses



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    Good luck with your Oskar foal.

    If you plan to breed again, I would suggest you look at Edelweiss de Bonce for a possible WB cross--SF, former GP dressage horse who is big but not light. I'd think he would cross beautifully with a light Percheron mare. The phenotypes aren't too terribly off. Most SFs are high percentage TB.

    For TBs, Sea Accounts is actually doing dressage these days with good success. He's full TB and approved RPSI.
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    Default How about Foxwind?

    I encourage you to consider Foxwind SL. He is a Trakehner with some TB in his background. I have a client this year that bred her Percheron mare to Foxwind with the expectation he will offer refinement. He has lovely Dressage type movement and consistently scores high 60s/low 70s on his tests.

    He has produced a couple phenomenal Clyde/Hackney crosses for another client (a little different than a Perch, I know, but she was looking for the same thing, refinement and athleticism)

    Photos of mares and foals are (and will be) on our website. Kenya is the Clyde/Hackney who produced foals in 2007 and 2008 and Colleen is the Percheron that is expecting for 2012.

    Best of luck with your big beauty.
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