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    Default Horse landing with both hind feet??

    I have seen a few horses in our area lately landing with both hind feet together. I understand there is a problem but what? Does anyone know what specifically can cause this? These two horses travel soundly and swap cleanly,... If it was a serious condition ( other than hock oinjections ), I wouldn't expect them to do so,...right???? What do you think? Or what have you experienced????



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    I rode a mare that did this. She needed a rider to hold her together before and over the jump. Her owner would get really nervous and drop leg (mare was quick) and give the reins away. Mare seemed to panic a little and then land on both back legs.

    Bigger jumps also seemed to help with this. Her owner was just jumping 18 inches. Once we stepped her up to 2'3 ish and above, she landed normally.

    I have no idea if this is the reason those horses are doing this, but thats what I found to "fix" this mare!
    Sidenote: She was completely sound also.



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    Do you mean "landing" in the canter stride or after a jump only?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToTheNines View Post
    Do you mean "landing" in the canter stride or after a jump only?
    Yes on the landing one stride only,...
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    Any ideas?
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    Just curious...
    is this what youre talking about? (horse does it at 14 seconds and 21 seconds of the video)
    Sorry if its not viewable..its a friends video..

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/vid...=1011824066920
    Last edited by AliCat518; Jun. 7, 2011 at 11:03 PM. Reason: forgot the link



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    AUDIO ALERT for those sneaking a peak at work.

    NOTHING is wrong here, the horse/Pony is NOT landing on both hind feet. It IS taking off by pushing off almost together and kind of hopping over like a deer...but it is not landing square on both hinds.

    Cause?? Well...

    #1 the log is sooo low neither of these is really jumping up so they don't need to arrange their bodies like a show Hunter.

    #2 pace...too slow. Compare it to the Pinto that jumps right out of stride. The black one kind of drops and props at the base which puts it more on the back end. Rider may be getting quite a bit ahead as well and overweighting the front end-that takes pace away. It can be called jumping "flat footed"...or like a deer.

    #3 style. Some horses just tend to jump this way. Usually conformationally related. Long as it is safe and does the job required, it's fine.

    Try stick a few strides out and the rider sitting more up with shoulder back (especially this low) and some of this just might go away. Eyes up and ahead and ride it like a canter stride to get it to look like a....canter stride.

    But there is nothing "wrong" with the horse/Pony.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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    Oops, forgot to mention that the video has annoying audio.
    That's the mare I used to ride that did what sounded like what the OP was talking about. (I'm not in the video).

    This was the mare that got better when we jumped higher and she actually had to put some effort in! She also needed a confident rider that didnt "drop her" before the jump, which is I think what the girl in the video is doing.

    I was curious to see if that was similar to what the OP was talking about.



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    It is probably just too little jumps, too little pace.

    But a pain cause is always possible. Is it worse on one lead or the other? If so I would check for pain in the foot/leg supposed to land first, it could be that the horse hurts when too much weight goes on that leg so it is putting down the other simultaneously to take pressure off. If not, I would investigate hocks, sore hocks can make horses do weird things behind, especially very honest horses who will jump anyway despite pain.

    I would probably increase the pace and make sure the horse is jumping forward across the fence instead of up. A firm squeeze with the leg on takeoff and a swat with a crop behind the leg can sometimes really improve jumping style for a horse with a forward problem.
    Last edited by fordtraktor; Jun. 8, 2011 at 11:01 AM.



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    This was one of the tell-tale signs of my horse's SI issues. Get a good sport-horse vet out to evaluate.



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    OK, I do realize this is not the OPs video BUT it is typical of what alot of people ask about on here...and may be applicable to what she is asking about.

    I don't mean to suggest that nothing at all could be physically wrong but...so much of what is showing up here or that OP asked about could simply be a low log, no pace and and unbalanced rider that can be dealt with first. Or it just jumps like a deer as some do. That could be the case with the horses OP is asking about.

    In a perfect world, people would call a sport horse specialist at any hint of something amiss. But...some of our posters asking for advice are kids trying to learn. Not everybody has access to sport horse and lamness specialists and not all vets are equipped for and/or willing to do a full evaluation based on what is shown here or related over the internet. Then there is the money part.

    Don't get me wrong, most older horses that jump are going to have tread wear of one type or another and would benefit from a full work up and diagnostics.

    But I don't think we need to ALWAYS start there based on what, IMO, is showing in this kind of video of a novice kid on a safe looking Pony over a low log. Or a question related about similar form by an observer with no knowledge of the horse's history and/or past performance.

    Assuming a horse you are just watching and have no information about needs 1200+ of vet work instead of better riding or conformation is sometimes not the way to go.
    Last edited by findeight; Jun. 8, 2011 at 11:52 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by findeight View Post
    I think it's OK to just try better riding and more pace to start with.
    I agree with you, if this is the only "sign" of potential lameness, there is nothing wrong with asking for a training fix first for what is a very common problem, not going forward. No need to haul out the X-ray box or inject a horse to kingdom come when a swat on the butt before takeoff would likely fix the problem for free.



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    Thanks for all the input! Both horses that prompted my original question are currently doing the 3' hunters and travel very soundly. They have their changes too. I understand that a good horse will keep going despite pain. Therefore I was just curious if there was a "known" issue associated with this behavior. I would guess, hocks or lumbosacral joint myself,...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlatinumPriss View Post
    Thanks for all the input! Both horses that prompted my original question are currently doing the 3' hunters and travel very soundly. They have their changes too. I understand that a good horse will keep going despite pain. Therefore I was just curious if there was a "known" issue associated with this behavior. I would guess, hocks or lumbosacral joint myself,...

    You cannot deduce a "known" issue as the cause without full information on the horse's history. And, you know, there is no single thing that automatically screams it is the cause in all cases.

    My old mare had diagnosed OCD and terrible hocks that needed maintaining but she NEVER landed on both hind feet even when they were bothering her.

    Maybe not fair to assume much if anything.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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    My current horse used to do this when he was young and was nervous about a new, scary fence. He was a large gangly warmblood and had to focus on coordination. When he was worried about the jump he would forget his back end. At 7, he has developed the ability to do 2 things at once. We have also spent a lot of time on the flat developing muscle, suppleness and collection to improve his coordination.

    We did have him checked for physical and neurological causes only to find he didn't understand where his feet were yet.



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