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  1. #1
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    Default Border Collie COTH'ers?

    Hi folks! Another fun OT day begins...


    And I was just curious how many BC-owning COTH'ers we have here. I've got an almost-year-old male smooth coat tricolor named Tug - seen here: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/1003/erin7264/Tug/


    I had grand ideas about getting into obedience with him, but between the garden and the horses and a full time job we haven't worked near as much as we should. For his age, he is rather well behaved and knows the usual come/sit/down/stay and other everyday-use commands like go away/off/quiet and a few tricks to include talking and shake. He walks and runs on a loose leash but has some excitement issues when it comes to encountering new people and/or dogs - the usual "OMG so excited to see you!". We're working on it, but he doesn't go out in public nearly as often as he needs to - I can only go to Petco so many times, and it seems like the only people who take their dogs into the store are the people with barking, agressive dogs that let them roam at the end of the leash. He plays well with dogs near his size but is a little too rambunctious for the smaller set at his age.

    I've been thinking about potentially taking him to a herding trainer, but as with the horses - it appears to be quite the investment between drive time and paying for lessons or training. He's definitely got the natural drive and seems like he would excell quickly with someone that knows what they are doing.

    I'll also note that, thanks to a watchful eye - he does not possess any of the neurotic habits that BC's can be known (and stereotyped) for.
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    I used to have a BC/lab cross (with some Corgi thrown in... you can imagine how that looked). He was sweet and loved to learn, but my goodness he had energy! That dog could run and run and run and about lost his marbles out of excitement when he met other dogs.

    The most basic thing we found was that when he was busy and had something to think about, he was great. It was when he didn't have a job that he would get a little nutty. So really any focused training would be great for him, not just herding - I know BCs are also known to be great at agility, which is something that you could work on at home yourself.



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    I have a BcX (not sure what all is in the cross)3yo.
    He is possibly the smartest dog I have ever had. He was housebroken before he was 5mths old. I mean compleatly house broken to where he would rather die than have an accident in the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetMutt View Post
    I know BCs are also known to be great at agility, which is something that you could work on at home yourself.
    Not that I have anything against agility, it was just never something I was interested in (like Saddleseat!). I'd still like to get into obedience, just need to put the time into the dog and find a trainer in town that offers more than just your basic puppy obedience classes that I can work with independently.
    What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what
    lies with in us. - Emerson



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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz 57 View Post
    Not that I have anything against agility, it was just never something I was interested in (like Saddleseat!). I'd still like to get into obedience, just need to put the time into the dog and find a trainer in town that offers more than just your basic puppy obedience classes that I can work with independently.
    When agility started, I was also not too interested, obedience was my thing.
    Well, when you have a dog that likes agility, you have to give in and in the end, found that agility is just as much fun as obedience and for most dogs, even more fun than obedience.

    We used to train border collies for cattle trials and worked them on our own cattle for years, but quit when my best one was killed by a rattler.

    You are right that, no matter what you train for, it will take commitment to be good or competitive at that, but for just the fun of doing something with your dog, anything you choose will work just fine with whatever time you can spare for that.

    Our performance dog club has all, from beginner and fun and clicker and tricks and household manner classes, to serious obedience/agility competition training.

    Why don't you see what may be around your area?



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    I have a border collie / sheltie mix (at least that's what I think - colored like a sheltie, but he's built like a border collie). He is the smartest dog I have ever owned - esp when it comes to food !! For example ... He KNOWS he's not supposed to get into the bottom tray of the parrot cage - but he waits until I'm in the other room to help himself to the goodies ! And yes, he knows how to put his paw just so he can hook a nail over the lip and pull the tray out !

    He was a rescue and sadly someone really did a number on him. He is very high energy and I think he got yelled at a lot and maybe worse. He was really scared of men at first (would lay down and pee himself), but he is fine now. He's calmed down a lot as well - just time and patience !



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    Mine died last year of blastomycosis. He was so wonderful and smart and lived with me until his last two years when I came home for Christmas and my Mom started crying when I got in the car to head back to Florida. I thought she was sad over her only child leaving, however, it was in fact over the dog leaving (I got him in college so he was a family pet in the beginning) so he stayed with her. He was so kind and smart and my Mom still can't talk about him without getting upset. I probably would not get another one though since he was such high maintenance as a young dog and most of my free time in college was devoted to wearing him out - saying a lot since I now have two Jack Russells, but nothing matches the intensity of a Border Collie!



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    Quote Originally Posted by keepthelegend View Post
    Mine died last year of blastomycosis. He was so wonderful and smart and lived with me until his last two years when I came home for Christmas and my Mom started crying when I got in the car to head back to Florida. I thought she was sad over her only child leaving, however, it was in fact over the dog leaving (I got him in college so he was a family pet in the beginning) so he stayed with her. He was so kind and smart and my Mom still can't talk about him without getting upset. I probably would not get another one though since he was such high maintenance as a young dog and most of my free time in college was devoted to wearing him out - saying a lot since I now have two Jack Russells, but nothing matches the intensity of a Border Collie!
    The difference, many high energy dogs need stuff to do, border collies need and demand it be something interesting and that you are also doing it with them.



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    I have a 6mo old lab/BC cross. He so far has been very mellow and trainable. He is for the most part a lab, having the soft eyes and the short coat, but the pointed collie muzzle and that style of floppy ear. He has demonstrated some collie stare 'n stalk, but nothing like a purebred puppy.



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    I have two. Mom is 15 years old and going strong, her daughter is 8 years old. I don't think I could ever stand to have any other breed. They are just so darn smart, loving, intuitive, loyal, they NEVER wander off our property, and it's only 6 acres, so it's not like it's huge. I can't imagine better dogs.



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    I love border collies.

    We had to put ours to sleep about a year and half ago. He was almost 15. He was the smartest, sweetest dog I've ever known. He loved everybody -- humans, cats, dogs, whatever -- and everybody loved him right back. OK, the cats not so much, but you get the idea.

    I miss that dog every day and I really want to get another BC -- there just isn't anything like their incredible intelligence and that "ready!" light in their eyes. But our other dog is aggressive to other dogs and I'm not quite ready to deal with the BC energy AND introducing a puppy to our mutt.


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    Default LOVE border collies

    Sorry if this has already been mentioned but...
    GO TO a border collie herding trial, it is a blast to watch.
    READ Nop's Trials...can't remember author right now....



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    My grandma adopted a border collie/boxer mix from the shelter here in Dillon. She is the coolest dog I ever met. She has a lot of border collie qualities (including an interest in herding the horses, which was quickly curbed). When we first got her home, we didn't hear her bark for about a week, and the first time she barked was when she was playing with our sheep (singular..lol, long story, but we ended up with her and after being raised with dogs, she thinks she is one. Actually now she is a weird combo of dog/horse now).
    Hailey got the white markings of a border collie, and the brindle of a boxer, she's beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPFarmette View Post
    Sorry if this has already been mentioned but...
    GO TO a border collie herding trial, it is a blast to watch.
    READ Nop's Trials...can't remember author right now....
    Donald McCaig, he wrote a few books with or about Border Collies. My favorite is American Homeplace, which chronicles life as a Highland County sheep farmer. Another good one is Eminent Dogs, Dangerous Men, about his travels to find a good dog across the water. His trial this year is Labor Day weekend, if you live in VA, you should try to make it, and see what dogs trials are about. His are true to their origin, and I love it.
    I have eight Border Collies, I work for him as his "shepherd" for the trial. Before I got my dogs, my life was completely different. Border Collies are different dogs and they do have a reputation for being intense, hyper, driven, "got to have a job", and more. My dog Simon is dead asleep with me now, as I sit here on the computer, kind of his way (crazy, hyper, intense...). Around sheep he is not this way. He doesn't demand anything of me, but all my dogs want to be part of what I'm doing, whatever that is. They're cool to just sit here and sleep, they're good dogs.
    Me, I would try herding, get a good trainer, ask folks at trials in your area. I LOVE it. Already said that.



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    I have an 8 year old border collie named Reno. We got him when he was three years old from a sheep dog rescue. He had been rescued from a kill shelter after his owner realized that breeding dogs wasn't very profitable and dumped him and one of his sons there. He had no training and had obviously been treated badly. The rescue that saved him tested him out for herding and agility and lets just say he didn't do very well. That is ok though because I was looking for a BC that didn't have alot of the annoying traits that they can have. He has been such a wonderful dog and we could not have picked a better dog for our family.

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    I have a 3 1/2 year old Border Collie/Australian Cattle Dog mix. She's a total sweetheart, and very high energy. I'd love to do some agility with her someday, as I think she'd be great at it. She's a very smart dog.
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    We have two: Annie Oakley and John Chisholm. Annie's 5, Chisholm is four. They are cousins, came from folks who breed/train herding stock. I had hoped to do herding with Annie, but she isn't interested. Took her back to the ranch when she was 6 months old to get used to sheep and cows, she hated them. Took her for temperment /herding testing at 18 months - she wouldn't go near the sheep, tried to escape the arena. She shows no interest in our cow, sheep, goat. But she has always loved to herd the horses. Chisholm will herd the sheep, and sometimes the horses. He and Annie spend a lot of their day playing herding games with each other.
    I would NEVER have just one BC.
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    Who have not found the peace in being free
    to have a horse as a best friend."



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    My roommates border collie(11 years old!) just herds other dogs. She LOVES chasing them when throwing the toys. She has absolutely no interest in the toy, just chasing the other dog.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Antaeus View Post
    We have two: Annie Oakley and John Chisholm. Annie's 5, Chisholm is four. They are cousins, came from folks who breed/train herding stock. I had hoped to do herding with Annie, but she isn't interested. Took her back to the ranch when she was 6 months old to get used to sheep and cows, she hated them. Took her for temperment /herding testing at 18 months - she wouldn't go near the sheep, tried to escape the arena. She shows no interest in our cow, sheep, goat. But she has always loved to herd the horses. Chisholm will herd the sheep, and sometimes the horses. He and Annie spend a lot of their day playing herding games with each other.
    I would NEVER have just one BC.
    Border collies are the ultimate herding breed, herding specialists in dogdom.
    But, not all inherit the same traits.
    While all that have somewhat herding instinct can, once they turn on, herd most anything, their style will determine if they are better on sheep, which most are or for cattle, that takes a bit different kind of dog.

    The breeder we worked with, as puppy raisers and training, won trials and high in the association, but that was on cattle, his dogs were not quite right to be top competitors on sheep.

    When you watch a dog working, it is amazing what they can do.
    Chickens don't herd, although you can get them dog broke enough to be trained to be herded.
    I have seen border collies so good that they could pen a not dog broke rooster in a coffee can, it was at a rodeo half time herding exhibition.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    The difference, many high energy dogs need stuff to do, border collies need and demand it be something interesting and that you are also doing it with them.
    So true!! The Jacks will hunt squirrels all day in the yard and run all over the farm, but my BC would stare at me until I looked up and then run back and forth between the door and me. If I just let him out he scratched to come in 30 seconds later and started the whole thing back up until I put my shoes on and did something with him. It's amazing how smart they are - he picked up obedience and agility right away in the classes I took him too and once he even was able to herd sheep at a farm and he picked up the cues to move the sheep towards and away from the sheep lady (shepherd?? Not sure the right word, but probably not sheep lady,lol) which just blew my mind.

    I am pregnant right now and my husband wants to name the baby after him if it's a boy!



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