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  1. #1
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    Default Rotation

    Anyone experienced with founder ? Horse has 11 degree rotation.



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    I have but nothing to that degree so no real help there. I offer you jingles and prayers though!



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    My Arabian Willie rotated 10-12 degrees in both front feet with side sinking after foundering from the stress of two surgeries for penile cancer (three before it was all over), steroids, and complications from previously undiagnosed Cushings. (see Willie-partial penile amputation)Today he is back to being barefoot and sound to ride and take dressage lessons. We had excellent vets who worked closely with our equally excellent farrier to produce these wonderful results. While at the vet clinic, he was in ice boots, then soft-ride boots were used until we could get shoes on him, then we went through a series of wedge pads with wide shoes to support the side sinking and the shoot-in quick setting gel to support the frog and sole. We took radiographs every four weeks to see the progress, and changed the angles/shoes/pads/wedges according to what was seen on the radiographs. We kept regular shoes on him until 12 weeks ago and since his feet looked so good, decided to let him go back to barefoot like he was before his saga began. So far, so good. Hope you have equally good results.
    Massive jingles from Willie and me.
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    Default Jingles ~ follow the vet's trewatment plan ~ AO

    So sorry this has happened~

    Follow your vet's treatment plan ~

    Jingles & AO ~

    There is life after "founder"

    Hugs to you ~
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT"S A WONDERFUL LIFE !"



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    We also had a mare with a 10 degree rotation. Do you know the cause? When did this begin? What is your vet advising? What have you done so far?

    Different things work for different horses. We have a great vet and farrier working with the mare the entire time. A little more information would be helpful.

    Best of luck.
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    A lot of "rotation" is not bone rotation at all but rather just hoof capsule distortion, in other words the the laminitis causing swelling between the hoof wall and bone rotating the WALL forward away from the bone.
    Other times I have seen perfectly sound but club footed horses "diagnosed" as foundered because a club foot is technically 'rotated'.
    So there is a lot more information needed here. Is the BONE actually rotated down from the angle of the other bones? Is there bone sinking as well?
    Is the horse lame?
    How long has it been going on?
    What caused it?

    I have known many horses fully recover from laminitis and the resulting founder founder who initially had severe "rotation" between the hoof wall and the bone. And known plenty of others others that did not look rotated but had sunk badly and never recovered.
    Also, fully identifying and correcting the underlying CAUSE is one of the most important things to address. Without that, no full recovery of laminitis is possible.
    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
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    No known cause, horse began acting up under saddle. Was brought to large vet hospital for diagnosis.They did body scans etc. Vet recommended nerving, but I am not ready yet. We did corrective shoeing and will follow up with vet hospital tomorrow. Horse is coming home on Tuesday.



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    Acting up? As in lame?
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    Me unfortunately. Callie got dex shot, not IR. Laminitis and 3 to 4 degree rotation. Then later up to 15 degrees on both fores. My great farrier resectioned, and she lived. One year of roller coaster ride.

    Get the soft-rides. I did not know about them back then or she'd have had them. Instead my farrier reversed her shoes and used pour in pads for months and months. I learned about soft-rides form eventgroupie2 and they are not like any other hoof boots. You can get them fedex overnight from Debbie and she is wonderful.

    Get the isoxsuprine and the bute or banamine and naproxen and DAC yucca and a hoof supplement and settle in for the long haul.

    My mare was NOT IR so I defer to others about that. But she did go on a diet, since she was an easy keeper TB mare, and switched from grain to seminole equi-safe and lost hundreds of pounds to get weight off of her hooves.

    Then I went on line and read up on fructans and sugars and time of day for less of them in grasses. Callie stayed off of grasses for almost a year just in case. And she had to give up carrots, the only treat she liked.

    And you'll get tons of conflicting info, shoes on, shoes off, feeds, etc. Get a vet and a farrier who have experience in SUCCESSFULLY treating founder.

    Good luck. Be patient.



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    I agree with the soft ride boots. Shoes have their place and our mare was in them for a while, but she is now at a point where she is more comfortable in her boots. They are worth the investment.

    We have used bute and naproxin, both helped. And, I have no connection with this vet, he is not even in the same state as I am, but his product has proved useful to our mare and his website has lots of good information. www.equinemedsurg.com.

    Also, it's true, no carrots, apples, etc. Our mare gets Enrich 32 and beet pulp. She was not overweight, but it also did help her drop some pounds which did not hurt.

    I second the fact that you will need a really good farrier and vet. Make sure they are willing to work together, cause they have to.

    Good luck.
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    No known cause, horse began acting up under saddle. Was brought to large vet hospital for diagnosis.
    did the actually diagnose LAMINITIS? (which is a CAUSE of founder but not founder itself)
    They did body scans etc.
    Well what diagnostic tests did they do on the FEET besides just Xrays? Hoof testers? Temporary nerve blocks? 'leverage' testing? did they find ANYTHING?
    Vet recommended nerving, but I am not ready yet.
    RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN TO A DIFFERENT VET. I can not believe ANY vet in their Right mind would recommend nerving for suspected founder(or for anything else except a last ditch retirement salvage for severe navicular disease) . That is about the most illogical thing I have ever heard.
    We did corrective shoeing and will follow up with vet hospital tomorrow.
    what exact kind if "corrective "shoeing?
    Horse is coming home on Tuesday.
    Please please can you post the X-Rays and the pictures of the feet?
    Patty Stiller CNBBT,CNBF,CLS, CE
    Natural Balance Certified Lameness Specialist ,instructor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Stiller View Post
    did the actually diagnose LAMINITIS? (which is a CAUSE of founder but not founder itself) Well what diagnostic tests did they do on the FEET besides just Xrays? Hoof testers? Temporary nerve blocks? 'leverage' testing? did they find ANYTHING? RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN TO A DIFFERENT VET. I can not believe ANY vet in their Right mind would recommend nerving for suspected founder(or for anything else except a last ditch retirement salvage for severe navicular disease) . That is about the most illogical thing I have ever heard. what exact kind if "corrective "shoeing? Please please can you post the X-Rays and the pictures of the feet?
    This is kind of what I asked earlier, what does "acting up under saddle" mean? What tests were done and the whole nerve block thing?! Our mare had severe rotation, etc. It was a process with a wonderful vet and farrier. There is no quick fix. I think many of us could offer some helpful suggestions, but more information would be very helpful.
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