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  1. #1
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    My DD's super awesome hunter pony is out for the year (check ligament) and she has mentioned wanting to breed her and keep the legacy thru a foal that would be for competition later.
    The pony is NOT registered (welsh/qtr) but has been a super 1st lvl dressage pony (scoes in the 70's) and just the best packer hunter. She is a huge meduim (looks like a large) does the horse steps can do the childrens, the mediums, the short stirrup... it's more like sitting on a horse with stubby legs than on a pony( but she has a cute little pony face)

    So we started looking at breeding her, she has had one foal a number of years ago. We are thinking small WB stallion. It doesnt matter to us if the foal is not pony size..we want a quality foal, size does not matter since we will compete it ourselves in whatever area suits it best.

    Any small (horse) stallion suggestions? DD LOVES Redwine, but that is not in my budget this year.
    Last edited by jumpytoo; Mar. 20, 2011 at 01:57 AM. Reason: better title



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    This guy is fabulous over fences:

    http://www.shnpayback.org/stallions/showgun_pgn.xml

    I watched him show a few years ago at 3'3" with a fabulous trip. The foal would be registerable with AHA.
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    I think Jill is running a special on Redwine right now?

    I've got a yearling Redwine, and another on the way. Absolutely incredible temperament on every Redwine I've met.
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    Or, since you like Redwine, how about Escapade's full brother, Escapade II? He is a bit smaller than Escapade, who is a successful sire of ponies even though he is himself over 16.2H.

    I watched Escapade II school over some huge fences last month with a 17 year old rider. Very impressive! He also scored higher in the 70 day test than his full brother. He is less expensive than Redwine.

    http://www.shnpayback.org/stallions/escapade_ii.xml
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    Some things to think about.
    The stud fee is far from the biggest cost. The vet fees and everything else is what adds up. At this time RW is only $850. If that is too much than breeding her may not be what you want to do. I spent 5K and that is with a $1200 stud fee. That was to just get a live foal. Since then there have been lots of other costs. And at any point and time something can go wrong and you have no foal. Count on 1 1/2 yrs off of riding the mare to any degree. And a foal that may look more like one of its ancestors more than its parents.

    Second, your daughter is 4 years off of even getting on a baby, another 2 or so before you have a horse that is ready to go to any degree. Do you have someone to train the foal? They take a lot of time and they can be a real handful. It is expensive if you are not going to do it yourself. Will your DD be in college in 6 years or less? Will she still want a pony if she is still riding? Or will her abilities have grown so that she wants a more competitive horse?
    I was the kid that was thinking of breeding her special cross mare many years ago. I ended up just buying a Wb and while a bit sad at the time, in hindsight, it was the best thing. The "cross" foal would have had much sentimental value but probably not the ability that I ended up with. Plus I ended up very attached to the WB.
    If you ever have to/want to sell the offspring it will be much more marketable if it is a full WB or at least a Tb cross with papers.
    Well that wasn't very cheery, was it?

    Good luck in your choice either way!



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    I'd be happy to work with you through my new venture -
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    I grew up in a race (TB) breeding family so even though it has been a while I know the costs add up. We have our own place so board and time to grow up are not really concerns. My DD has already outgrown the pony, since it's 16 yrs and just now has an injury I am reluctant to consider selling it when she is sound since there is no way to guanantee a good home or someone as patient as me. If we don't breed her she may do some para riders next year.

    stoicfish
    Count on 1 1/2 yrs off of riding the mare to any degree
    Not really, my own jumper mare did the A/O jumpers while in foal (even with a lil belly).Had her from cradle to grave (25 years) and did the training myself til she was ready to start the show circuit, then of course we had someone schooling us.

    DD is 12yrs old, so no college and understands it's not a toy

    She wants to try and pay for everything herself (that's the limiting factor) I am not familiar with good "smaller" horse stallions so need to learn which ones are good. I do agree with her that we don't need to breed for a pony size foal. If we get one.. that's the breaks and we will adjust accordingly.

    I just want to give her some names to research and let her think her plans thru, including her expenses for the actual breeding part. She doesnt have to worry about board/training costs for a few years (unless she forgets to empty the dishwasher)



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    Best wishes in your search, Jumptoo.
    I think you might find it hard to find a quality stud for less than $850. There may be some deals out there and there are some auctions at this time of year but I think most are done this weekend. Generally Wb stallions are 16 hands and up but if you are not concerned with the height than that widens the search to any stallion that suits your mare and the discipline.
    I am not sure there are many Wb's that do live cover, but there might be some out there. The AI will be her biggest cost.

    Some ideas:
    http://www.isroldenburg.org/?pid=sta...ons_short%list
    http://www.hanoverian.org/Stallions/active.shtml
    http://www.americanwarmblood.com/sta...on_roster.html
    http://www.rhpsi.com/stallions/stallionrosterhome.asp



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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpytoo View Post
    She doesnt have to worry about board/training costs for a few years (unless she forgets to empty the dishwasher)
    Oh, that's funny If she needs a place to stay to look at FL stallions, she can stay with me if she empties my dishwasher, too Bonus if she can cook!

    BTW, the half priced stallions at www.shnpayback.org are available through July.

    I saw on Facebook today that Escapade II did well at HITS Ocala with his 17 year old rider.
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    You might consider our rising star Wizard WF.
    http://watermark-farm.net/wizard.html
    He is kind, elastic and talented. Last summer a junior rider rode him and his sire Waldaire and has a blast. He is super talented over fences too. There are a couple of over fences photos here:
    http://watermark-farm.net/wizardphotogallery.html
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    Kathy's Bellafonte d'Avalon might be worth looking at and I think she has a special on him at the moment.

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    and I saw that Happy Hour (http://www.happyhour1.com/abouthh.html) has a half price breeding special advertised, although I don't see it on their website - I saw it on Dreamhorse, I think



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