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  1. #1
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    Default Serious stifle pain, stall rest, more like unrest. Bad night. Advice please...

    Older mare injured stifle 2 days ago. Very painful to basic touch, on stall rest, banamine, limited grain and free choice hay. Bedded deep in shavings with her buddy close by.
    She clearly had a rough night-- keeps circling the stall as opposed to resting. I don't know if this is nervousness or if she finds comfort by staying active and not resting on her good legs too long. She is sweaty at her chest and flank. At this point, my goals are to take care of her feet and legs and ensure she's taking in enough water. She is interested in her hay.

    If you have any tips, tricks, advice, feel free to pass them this way. I am a bit of a wreck over this. I'm talking to my dear vet every 12 hours or so, and I'm very concerned about her comfort.



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    Is she use to staying in? If she is on stall rest I would guess the vet wants her quiet and I would think tight circles in the stall is not helping. What does the vet say? Has the vet said anything about tranqs? Hay in a haynet sometimes can help entertainment and extend hay time. Since she is sweaty I would guess its nervous that is generating the movement. Good luck!



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    I would turn her out in a safe paddock with her buddy so she can move about freely. Circling in her stall will aggravate the injury. Good luck. Stifle injuries are not fun to deal with



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    When Gus really messed up his stifle a couple years ago, it was horrible. The best thing for him, at that time, is what you're doing already. Stall rest and pain meds. My vet had us doing 2g/daily for a while. I think at one point it may have been a bit more then that, but I honestly can't remember.

    It took Gus weeks before he was better. Ended up trailering him down to the specialist when he was still 3-legged lame. Hated to do it but we needed to know what was going on and no regular x-ray machine can take clear enough views to see what's going on in the stifle. He ended up tearing some ligaments in the stifle along with a partial meniscus tear, if I remember correctly.

    It ended up taking months for him to recover. He's still not 100% in the hind end due to have another major flare-up with his other stifle (both are bad). Before our latest ordeal though, he was sound for w/t/c and was okay with schooling 1st level... we just couldn't push anything.

    Good luck to you and your mare. Jingles for a speedy recovery.

    ETA: I agree with the others regarding stall rest though. If she's not used to a stall it can cause a lot more issues. Gus always rested quietly in his stall, often lying down for hours. So we weren't concerned with him causing more issues. If she'll be quiet outside, that might be the best option, rather then walking in circles in a stall. Circles = Not Good, for horses with stifle injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appychik View Post
    When Gus really messed up his stifle a couple years ago, it was horrible. The best thing for him, at that time, is what you're doing already. Stall rest and pain meds. My vet had us doing 2g/daily for a while. I think at one point it may have been a bit more then that, but I honestly can't remember.

    It took Gus weeks before he was better. Ended up trailering him down to the specialist when he was still 3-legged lame. Hated to do it but we needed to know what was going on and no regular x-ray machine can take clear enough views to see what's going on in the stifle. He ended up tearing some ligaments in the stifle along with a partial meniscus tear, if I remember correctly.

    It ended up taking months for him to recover. He's still not 100% in the hind end due to have another major flare-up with his other stifle (both are bad). Before our latest ordeal though, he was sound for w/t/c and was okay with schooling 1st level... we just couldn't push anything.

    Good luck to you and your mare. Jingles for a speedy recovery.

    It certainly is possible to get diagnostic stifle films on the farm. has the vet x-rayed her stifle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackieBlue View Post
    It certainly is possible to get diagnostic stifle films on the farm. has the vet x-rayed her stifle?
    It is possible to get stifle x-rays on site at a farm, however, I guess what I meant to say is it is really hard to get GOOD views on site, unless you're dealing with digital x-ray equipment. Most vets up here still do the film x-rays. The specialist what we hauled down to has the digital equipment and that made it much easier to do the x-rays as they could see right away if they had a bad rad or not. Then they had the opportunity to retake the shot again and again until they got it right (if needed). Plus they had an ultrasound machine as well which allowed them to see things that the x-rays don't pick up.
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    wow. Like I said, it IS possible to get DIAGNOSTIC (meaning "good") stifle x-rays in a nonclinical setting. Ultrasound can be used on the farm also. MOST vets around here are equipped with digital x-ray and ultrasound capabilities. I know that because I work with ALL of them in one way or another. If I did not have dealings with all of them and were the average horse owner, I would not know what MOST of them are capable of.
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    I agree as long as the vet has a digital X-ray machine you can get great views of the stifle joint. I had my guy radiographed and they were very good quality. An ultrasound is also wonderful. If the mare is going to continue stall walking then I would build a tiny paddock for her outside so she can be with her friends. Stall circling is going to be very bad for the injury and her mind. Also talk to the vet about sedating her for a while.



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    First off - (((hugs))) and jingles for a speedy recovery. My boy had a tear in the lateral pattellar AND a calcified bond chip (inoperable). Being that he was 24 and already retired, my only hope was to keep him comfortable and free of pain. We did ace him in the beginning to take the edge off if being cooped up all day. When he wasn't showing any improvement after four months, I opted to put him out with the older boys that just hang out all day & play chess . He will never do the things he did before, but I can tell you that we still go for the occassional trail ride etc. and he is happy as can be. Good luck!!
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    Thanks everyone for your thoughts, jingles and suggestions. I am pleased that things are going much better the last few nights, and she is more like herself. She is getting along with this new routine, for now. She has a window, light radio through the day, lesser quality hay, and her feet seem to doing alright. I put standing wraps on all 4 for support.
    She did not get x-rays (yet). I will need to find a vet to come to me, because she is so active on trailer rides. For now, she is resting, on pain meds, and doing ok. I have a location in mind for a quiet paddock where she will have a visual on her friends if need be.
    Thank you again.



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    Hey, can you tie her with a hay net for a few hours a day while someone is around?

    It's not a great solution and won't work over night, but it might help her with the acute stage. It also might help her mentally adjust a bit. Horses do get better at the "job" of stall rest.
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    Jingles for you and your mare.

    Whenever I have one on stall rest, I rotate my other two in and out all day to keep the one in the barn company, so that the "prisoner" doesn't feel isolated and is much easier to keep quiet that way.
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