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  1. #1
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    Default Another query: Pony stallions who move from the shoulder.

    I acknowledge that there are good movers of both types, even in hunters: stallions who move, say, 100% from the shoulder (resulting in virtually no knee action at all--and all the attendant topline carriage that is necessary to do that without stumbling constantly) and stallions who move FREELY from the shoulder, but also have some bend at the knee.

    Now, I don't know if I can communicate this, but that is why I am asking--to clarify. For one of my mares, I'm specifically looking for a stallion who moves 100% from the shoulder, no bend in the knee. TO ME, that's a picture that looks both low to the ground (the entire body) AND high in the withers (but not too high in the neck). And I'm looking for this in the EXTREME, OK?

    Here's what I mean. This video is of a pony I sold, 2nd U/S at the PFs, obviously a nice mover, but still a touch of knee and at trot, decidedly more "upheaded" (you need only watch through about 0:08 to 0:15 to see just the trot): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D6wE...eature=related

    Here's Blue Rain, reachier and loftier, but not dissimilar in KNEE (vastly superior in carriage)...but, BUT wait! Look at the video around 0:53, please. It's a clip of him being led over a jump. In it, he is FULLY EXTENDED--and you see the 100% shoulder I'm trying to distinguish from other kinds of movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szk53j5iAuc

    And now his son, Blue Who (best depiction is at 0:30) who has even less knee when even less extended (than his sire): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgTZKP3zj68.

    I'm trying to get a real handle on this movement. IMO, it is rare and I don't know how often it is passed along, the "100% shoulder" 10 trot.

    Again, I want to indicate that there are 10 trots that are NOT of this type! But I am hoping to find videos of ones that ARE, OK? I'd love your help. I am examining a very fine distinction, but I believe it is an important one (at least for my program).

    And stallions or not. Just depictions of the 100% shoulder trot (even ones that lack reach and so are NOT 10 trots--I want to see as many examples of the mechanics of that form as possible). Thanks.
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    Why not breed to Blue Who then or Blue Rain? Both are available, and Blue Who is in your home State!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daventry View Post
    Why not breed to Blue Who then or Blue Rain? Both are available, and Blue Who is in your home State!

    Kinda what I was thinking too. Also, are those the stallions' promotional videos? That was just weird to see a grown man running around the jumps with a pony in tow.... And the other one, well... cute ponies though, maybe the videos belong on your other thread and we'll let folks decide what sort of "M" moment they are.



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    Am I missing something? There are scads of ponies that move like that! YES, from the shoulder and YES, flat kneed. Just go to a USEF A show and you can research to your little heart's content!
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    Here is a perfect example of a pony stallion that has no knee movement, is a full Section B welsh (you didn't indicate if you wanted crossbred or full welsh, but the two stallions you mentioned are crossbred). Both parents of this boy are fabulous movers as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrnbchz-VTk

    This is Tantallon Outfoxed (Otteridge Foxtrot x Tantallon Crystal Clear)
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    I just can't get enough of that little guy, Randee! We have a DARLING little Connemara/Welsh mare, medium, bay and THE BEST MOVER that might have to have a date with that boy. Is he available this year?
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    Pwyn, I'm confused. Are you looking for stallions with that movement, or just video of any horse that has it?

    I agree, there are welsh ponies by the handful that have that kind of movement. If I knew how to upload video to youtube I could send you a whack of it. Maybe that will be a project for the weekend......
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackieBlue
    I just can't get enough of that little guy, Randee! We have a DARLING little Connemara/Welsh mare, medium, bay and THE BEST MOVER that might have to have a date with that boy. Is he available this year?

    He is indeed!!! He is owned by Margaret Bzdak and stands with Dianne Randolph in SC.

    I can hook you up!
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    Pwynn, recently there was a thread called "daisy cutter movers" on the h/j forum that had some links to some videos of ponies moving with little to no knee action. One is owned by Amber Hill farm, pony's name is Humble. Check the 2 videos out of him....he is by Blue Rain the USEF says (with no dam listed of course-I really hate that!!!). Anyways, Blue Who is even better in person IMO, I would encourage you to go see him if you haven't already. The fact that he, his sire, and his offspring all have it is proof that the line can pass it on. I am not sure how well Blue Rain himself would ship at this age, does anyone have any info on that?



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