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  1. #1
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    Default Hinges and latches for Dutch Doors

    I am just NOT finding what I think I want! Especially on the latch side.

    I do NOT want this because horses have access to the outside of the barn and I don't want ripped body parts I want something that lays flat in the latched position.

    I know I need a strap hinge, think I need about 16-18" for a 4' wide (ish) door. I like the first black one on this page but have to call to find a price

    where did you get your hardware?
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    I really think you're overbuilding. An 8" hinge on sturdy cross piece should be more than sufficient. Just use good quality carriage bolts and nuts.
    "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"



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    We've had zero trouble with the 10" Stanley tee and strap hinges. Some have been in use for 30 years without replacement and the heavy dutch doors still swing freely with one finger.

    Our doors are 2x panel with 2x crosses, so they are 3" thick where the crosses are. I didn't want hardware on the inside, so I used the maximum length woodscrews. All are #14 and either 3" on the door and 3 1/2" into the barn-never had one fail. Screw holes need to be precisely the right size and location in the hole on the hinge.

    I've used probably every kind of sliding latch there is. For one with the least protrusions, it's probably the Richards-Wilcox, although I have one complaint with the design.

    page 39 in this cool catalog:

    http://www.rwhardware.com/HardwareCatalog.pdf

    Pleasants Hardware in Richmond on Broad Street used to keep them in stock and probably still does. It's also much heavier duty than any bent rod one. My complaint with the design is the way the groove is cast in the slide. It slides easier when the lock is closed, than it does when you lift the handle. It still works okay, even though that seemed a dumb design feature to me.

    I guess a copy and paste from a pdf file messes with the vbulletin software...........



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    I posted a 4 page long how-to on building Dutch doors here on June 12, 2006 called "How to Build Dutch Doors", but it got dumped at the last dump.

    Someone sent me a hard copy, but I'm too lazy to type it all out again. I don't have a record of who sent it to me, but they have it saved to their computer.

    link to it was:

    http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...ad.php?t=49682



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    Glad you chimed in Tom!

    I had saved a copy of your DD instructions a while back, but sadly lost them. I have found several good layouts on the web that are newer, so I think I'm ok this time
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    I really like the hardware mad by National mfgr company. My bar has numerous dutch doors and half doors and I have this latch on all of them.

    http://www.southernstates.com/catalo...nc-plated.aspx

    My contractor just added a screw eye to each one which allows you to secure them with a snap for those latches that are within reach of a horse's mouth. "This latch is really sturdy, slides well and the spring in the latch moves the latch back and keeps it back when you open the door. This way there is no slide bar sticking out past the edge of the door to catch a horses hide as they walk out. Very good safety feature. I've found htese latches at various farm supplies and farmers coop stores. As you see they are carried by Southern States also. National makes all kinds of hardware for barns, stables, sheds, gates, etc. Good quality, no rusting.

    Our door hinges where mounted with carriage bolts with the smooth, rounded head on the inside where a horse might stand, going all the way thru the wood, thru the holes in the hinges and secured with nuts. Very secure and sturdy construction method, all rough cut oak except the exterior door were surfaced with the same poplar board and batten as the barn exterior. The oak has withstood all attempts at chewing, the horses just loose interest in it. Love living in an area where there are so many mills that deal in the hardwoods!

    chicamuxen

    chicamuxen



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    Any reason to use a carriage bolt vs a hex screw for the hinges?
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    The carriage bolts have a completely smooth head and don't protrude and edges on the inside of the door, the smoothness is nice because of the that. I prefer a bolt that goes all the way thru all the layers of wood and has a nut on the other end over a screw into the wood for something like a door or gate that moves and flexes. Ultimately using bolts is a bit stronger and longer lasting and if need be the door can be disassembled to replace a board and reassembled more easily. When using bolts you want to pick just the right length so you don't have to much extending beyond the nut. Having a length that you can use a cap nut on is nice.

    Our builder used bolts in many places that a lot of builders would have used screws and screws where many would have used nails. This barn is built to last. No fiberboard, plywood or pine in the entire barn either.

    chicamuxen



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    Tom King -
    I am looking for some plans to build dutch doors for my barn. I tried linking to your 2006 post, but the link failed for me. (I think my profile was set to dump older posts based on COTH defaults.) Do you have access to print / scan, fax or any other way you can share it without having to re-type? If you can get it to me in any format I will send you an electronic copy back. Thanks in advance !



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    chicamux, thanks, exactly what I was looking for
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    HVH, email me at tomandpamking@gmail.com

    and I'll copy the copy that someone sent me back, and forward it to you. The forums are dumped every few years, and start over except for a few popular threads saved as archives.



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