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  1. #1
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    Default UPDATE: he got a ledgend injection, best joint suppliment for lesson/trail horse

    Well he went for a lameness exam on Friday. Vet was actually very impressed with his range of motion. He can still touch his hoof to his elbow at 24 years old.

    My problem was he was shuffling his feet. I use him for beginner lessons and he is asked to WALK over small cross rails. He was clearing them fine in the back but dragging his toe over them in the front. He was also tripping on trail rides with me.

    Vet didn't see a specific joint that was giving him trouble, so we decided to give him an IV injection of Ledgend and then start him on IM adequan. He also recommend "boxing" his feet and rolling his toe. My farrier has already been rolling his toe.

    I used him in a lesson Mon. (3 days after the injection) and he is clearing the crossrails again with no trouble. I am so happy!

    I have a saint of a 24 year old lesson horse who is getting very stiff in his front end (he's gaited) Mostly in his knees. His back end still appears to be fairly supple. I have a vet appointment next Fri to hopefully start him on some joint injections. I wanted to order a suppliment for him in the mean time and there are just so many to choose from!

    He basically just does glorified pony rides no more than 3 hours a week. However, I love him and he is my favorite horse and want to keep him comfortable and continue to use him for as long as possible.

    What have you had the best results with?
    Last edited by Lmabernathy; Feb. 9, 2011 at 12:09 PM.



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    I would try msm at 20 g a day (10 g AM and 10 g PM). MSM is inexpensive and is one of the more "proven" joint supplement ingredients. What type of joint injections are you looking into? Something like Adequan or Legend? Or are you looking into getting the actual joint injected?

    My approach would be to start on Adequan and MSM and then re-evualate after a month or two.
    There are also other therapy products like Back On Track products you could use in conjuction with your chosen joint supplement(s).

    If you're looking for an all in one type joint supplement to possibly put off having to start injections, Smartflex Senior is the way to go IMO. It has msm, devil's claw, glucosamine, chrondroition, HA, various antioxidents, and probiotics.
    come what may

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    I second the MSM. 10 g AM and 10 g PM. Thats what my boy is on and has been for years. We use the Vita-Flex MSM but you can get any one you want. I like the vita flex because its a small scoop.

    The other one that looks intresting but I have not tried it is the Grand Flex Senior. I might try it once I use up what I've got. If I do I will tell you how I like it!



  4. #4
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    well I just got done ordering my smark pak I got Flex-n-Action (Each serving contains 2000 mg MSM, 40 mg HA, 5000 mg glucosamine HCl and 4000 mg chondroitin sulfate in a timothy hay base) and SmartMuscle Mass (12 amino acids as the building blocks of muscle tissue. Gamma Oryzanol, Creatine, HMB, Collagen, Betaine) those 2 seemed like good choices going off the comparison tool.

    Does 2000 mg of MSM equal 2 grams or 20 grams?

    I have never had this particular horse injected before and the vet want to evaluate him before making any recommendations, but I am hoping to do some injections (my vet is very concervative with joint injections). I did have another horse injected after an injury to her knee and this same vet used an Adequan and Legend cocktail for her.



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    My personal horse gets msm (pellets) morning and night (basically 20,000 mg or 20 g a day) and I couldn't be more pleased--very dramatic improvement--particularly after going from 10,000 mg a day to 20,000. He has been on msm since last August. I wish I had video to share.

    That said, based on the age of the horse you are talking about, I like Smartpak Senior (decent cost for the ingredients). My friends 20-something gets that and it has been great for him--very noticiable improvement. She tried all kinds of stuff first, but I don't remember what they were anymore.

    Oh I just realized you already decided--sorry!
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    Love Platinum Performance CJ. Made a world of difference for my 20 yr old gelding. When we run out it is more than obvious. Also, FWIW, top lameness vets in our area highly recommend it over others. They get nothing from Platinum and are not affiliated in any way, but they feel it's the best out there. Also, it contains the "base" platinum formula, so it covers hooves, coat, etc.



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    Flex-n-Action isn't going to cut it IMO. 2,000 of msm is only 2 g...not nearly enough to do any good. You should add at least another 10 g of msm. Smartpak carres select the best msm that is pretty cheap. Flex-n-Action also isn't approved by the NASC, I try to only by supplements that are approved. You'll get a much better bang for your buck if you go with Smartflex Senior pellets. I think it's around $35 a month for it, so only a little bit more expensive than Flex-n-Action.
    I'm not sure what SmartMuscle Mass will do, but if you don't mind spending more money, it shouldn't hurt.
    come what may

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    I've read, and read and read and got feedback from so many folks....I have decided to use the Corta-Flx with 100 HA in it. I have found it to be a good choice for our horse, but the other option many use is Cosequin. Those 2 are the ones I hear used and recommended the most. In addition during show season we give Adequan and love it's results.
    If you need more MSM it's cheap to purchase by itself and can add it in.



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    I second (third? fourth?) MSM! I got my mare Jan 2009 and stareted her on MSM (whatever was 99% and at the feed store). I then went to the SmartMSM pellets (she's a picky eater) and she did well. This fall we started getting some 'mystery lameness' and stiffness in her BR. We started SmartFlex Senior (as per my vet) and saw an improvement in less than 30 days.

    When SmartFlex Senior stops working, we'll probably move onto SmartFlex Repair or maybe Platinum Performance Joint. Beyond that is Adequan and then Legend.

    IMO, you're probably about two or three steps away from having to do injections. Keep that in your back pocket for when you really need it. Start small and work your way up, then you'll keep more tricks for later down the road.

    Also, shoeing and trims are also a good way to keep the lesat possible stress on your guy's joints. Even if he didn't need shoes in the past, he might now, or maybe a different kind of shoe. Just a thought...

    Keep us updated on what you do and how it works.
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