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    Default Vienna reins

    Do you use them? Why or why not?



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    Yes! LOVE THEM!

    I prefer them to side reins on younger or less experienced horses because it offers them the chance to move a little more and use their heads and necks to balance on the lunge. Whereas draw reins are harder for the youngers to avoid bit contact and in my experience results in either them falling behind the bit, or more commonly leaning on the bit. The vienna reins can be used to introduce some self carriage before the side reins demand more from them.
    They can also be used on a more advanced horse in a downward (between the girth) position to encourage a long and low frame, though caution needs to be used in this frame as it can cause a horse to fall on the forehand if they aren't ready. This can also be useful for a horse who has learned to break behind the poll, or to encourage a horse with a stiff back to lift their back.

    I love the adjustability of them and the many different applications they can be used for.

    I can't wait to hear what other people think. =)



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    Wow Hannomerci...sounds like he had them adjusted waaayyy wrong. Sorry to hear about that . Good luck with your new girl! Would love to see pics!!



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    oh and they are a lunging tool only, never heard of anyone riding in them. I can't imagine making a young horse work in vienna reins every day and RIDING in draw reins...poor horse! I think 3 days a week for 15 mins TOPS for a young horse to lunge them in properly adjusted vienna reins...less when first starting out. They can do more harm than good if used improperly and the horse will be very sore when they start in them.



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    Wow she's beautiful! Having them tethered to the back of the saddle forces her into a more advanced frame than she is fit for. When I use them I attach them to the girth which encourage the horse to be low and seeking. I think with some proper work she'll be A-OK. She's very nicely built with a strong topline...and if she's anything like my WB, that is not going to go anywhere



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    Have them, love them! My mare gets heavy in regular side reins (uses them to hold herself up). Properly adjusted these show her where she needs to be without doing the job for her...
    "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."



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    Saw them used once and decided they're a gadget. Yuck....



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    I've not seen these before - just looked them up. Could someone explain to me how these are different from draw reins?



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    IMO they're not much different that draw reins at all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by back in the saddle View Post
    Saw them used once and decided they're a gadget. Yuck....
    How exactly are they any more of a gadget that regular side reins...?

    Or a bit, or a bridle, or spurs, or....
    "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."



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    I reach or the vienna reins (or re-balancer rein or whatever you want to call it) much more often than I use ordinary side reins. The amount of flex/play in them, while still maintaing contact, I find very beneficial for young horses and for rehabbing older horses that have learned to hang on the bit. I got a set initially to work on a horse that had being schooling extensively in draw reins (as in rarely ever ridden without draw reins on a uxeter kimberwick). I'm convinced they were very useful for "fixing" him and teaching him to move without the draw rein cage he had been trained in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooke View Post
    I've not seen these before - just looked them up. Could someone explain to me how these are different from draw reins?
    They're a lunging tool, not a riding one. You *can* set up draw reins to act like vienna reins, depending on the set up of your draws.

    You can use them in a couple of ways, including running them to the billets on the sides instead of between the legs.

    Like anything, it's all in the adjustment. Sure, you could crank them in and use them like badly used draws, or you can adjust them properly.

    I like them because when used properly they don't "hold" a horse in a certain place the way regular side reins do.
    "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibex View Post
    How exactly are they any more of a gadget that regular side reins...?

    Or a bit, or a bridle, or spurs, or....
    Spurs are another gadget. A properly trained horse won't need them.

    And you also shouldn't need any more than a snaffle bit for GP movements.

    Yes, I do believe anything else than the basic equipment (bridle, saddle, sidereins, whip, snaffle bit) ARE gadgets.

    Regular side reins teach bit acceptance and contact provided they're properly adjusted. They do not teach 'head placement' as this post indicates vienna reins do. If a horse is leaning on regular side reins they're probably too short, IMO.

    Properly adjusted these show her where she needs to be without doing the job for her

    When I saw Vienna reins in use on a young horse they did nothing but flex the hores's head backwards and would not allow her it to go in front of the vertical at all. That to me was "showing her where her head needed to be".

    Properly adjusted sidereins allow a young horse to stretch into the contact while keeping the head up and open. These vienna reins don't do that, they drag the head down. It's nothing but a different form of draw rein.



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    Quote Originally Posted by back in the saddle View Post
    Spurs are another gadget. A properly trained horse won't need them.

    And you also shouldn't need any more than a snaffle bit for GP movements.

    Yes, I do believe anything else than the basic equipment (bridle, saddle, sidereins, whip, snaffle bit) ARE gadgets.

    Regular side reins teach bit acceptance and contact provided they're properly adjusted. They do not teach 'head placement' as this post indicates vienna reins do. If a horse is leaning on regular side reins they're probably too short, IMO.




    When I saw Vienna reins in use on a young horse they did nothing but flex the hores's head backwards and would not allow her it to go in front of the vertical at all. That to me was "showing her where her head needed to be".

    Properly adjusted sidereins allow a young horse to stretch into the contact while keeping the head up and open. These vienna reins don't do that, they drag the head down. It's nothing but a different form of draw rein.
    Then you saw them used incorrectly.

    Oh, and a whip is a gadget. Better drop it real quick.
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    It is like any tool in your tool box - it is all about the experiences you have had with the tool - the proper and improper use of the tool and acquiring the knowledge to use the tool properly. If a tool never worked, no one would use it at all and you would not hear about it.

    But because used correctly it can be advantageous, the tool is still around.

    Never discount anything - learn how it is used properly as part of your education, then use it if you need it and don't use it if you don't need it. You just never know when you might need it - so take the opportunity to learn.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibex View Post
    Then you saw them used incorrectly.

    Oh, and a whip is a gadget. Better drop it real quick.
    Apparantly you don't understand classical training. Anything the SRS uses isn't a gadget. They spend a LOT of time searching for their willow whips every year. Definitely not a gadget but a highly regarded training aid.



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    I believe they're called Vienna reins because the Spanish Riding School in Vienna uses them aren't they? (i'll find out for sure when i go to the spanish riding school in feb :-P)



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    Quote Originally Posted by back in the saddle View Post
    Apparantly you don't understand classical training. Anything the SRS uses isn't a gadget. They spend a LOT of time searching for their willow whips every year. Definitely not a gadget but a highly regarded training aid.
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    WTF??? You clearly have your own idealized vision of the SRS. They use doubles, spurs etc etc as required. They also invented (I think) the drop noseband, which could be considered a gadget.

    Although apparently here, stirrups were NOT required... you may wish to ditch those immediately.
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    Yep they use them but they don't need them.

    I never said doubles were a gadget. Same as above. A properly trained horse doens't "need" a double.

    Yes, I've been to the SRS and seem them ride. Beautiful. And no, I don't believe they use Vienna reins. I've only seen long lines and side reins. I think the name "Vienna" is used as a marketing tool.

    Nothing else is needed to train a horse other than the basics.

    Well, my trainer "invented" (fact) the bit they use. (Fulmer bit) And it's used with a regular snaffle bridle. Don't know about the drop noseband. Never saw one with one on when I was there. ????



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    Looks like a vienna set-up to me...

    http://www.writingofriding.com/wp-co...vesson_SRS.jpg

    As for "not needing" the double if the horse is sufficiently trained... are you suggesting that the SRS uses a double just for looks, or that their horses aren't properly trained...?
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