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    Default TB-Welsh cross?

    Just curious, breeding mavens: Why is it you see lots of TB-Connemara crosses in event horses, but very rarely TB-Welsh? Those crosses all seem to go to the pony market--I never see a small horse of that breeding.

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    I've taught one at Pony Club camp a few times. Very nice little horse, about 14.3-15hh. Cute jumper, did well even with a green rider/green horse combination.
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    Connemaras can JUMP and gallop. I think the welsh ponies are better known for a more hunter-y style.



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    I have known some welsh that can really JUMP as well. When I was a teen I rode a 13 hand welsh mare that could jump around a 3'6 course. She did however do really well in hunters as well because she was very tight and square with her knees http://www.pajonponies.com/gallery.html (scroll down to Pajon's Royal Tapestry) and was a pretty little mare.

    I could be wrong but I think it could also be that the welsh thoroughbred cross is more consistent in producing that model hunter look which in the pony world is going to sell for more than as an eventer. I have also seen some lovely connemaras and connemara crosses as well.



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    Might be height as well. I could be wrong but I think a typical Welsh X TB is a large pony whereas a typical Connemara X TB is a small horse. Eventers have a much bigger market for a small horse than a pony and Hunterland has almost no market for a small horse and a huge market for ponies.



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    One name: Uni-Griffon [rip]
    (Welsh Cob-Thoroughbred)
    Another owner of A Fine Romance baby who has grown up and joined the fun!!!



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    By Brynarian Brennan - also Dreamer by same sire, Dreamer went to Young Riders.



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    I have one!! He's just a hair under 14.2hh though, so not a small horse. He probably could have sold for a pretty pony on the hunter market because of his desirable height. His dam was a 13.2hh Crossroads Welsh pony and I'm pretty sure his sire wasn't a very large TB. He was originally bred for driving--the dam was a fabulous driving pony and her owner's friend had a TB they decided to breed to for fun. To be honest, I don't see much of the Welsh in him. When people ask me what he is and then exclaim, "OH! I definitely see the Welsh!" I get confused. My friend calls him a TB someone shrunk in the dryer, which I find to be a very accurate description.

    As much as I love my guy to pieces, I do find that the pony-meets-TB brain tends to lead to performance anxiety and overreactions. Everything must be presented in a very diplomatic manner with lots of pats, cooing, and reassurance.

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    I think Mike Plumb had a Welsh/ TB gelding named Adonis go around Rolex in 92-I remember watching them go around. Cute horse too!!!! We've got a half sister of Uni-Griffon at our barn-welsh cob/tb's make great Eventers!



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    Adonis was a Dutch warmblood developed up here in BC.



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    theres tons in uk lol

    all the natives are good little doers and make execellent ponies for jumping or showing or mixed events

    i bred one myself my old mare was a welsh section c 13.3hh pally and her son was x with a tb a top point to point racehorse who was 16 2 and bay

    her son was 15.3hh pally lol looked like her but had bigger bones than the tb

    have to dig out a pic of him and her and his dad

    in all cases the little mare could jump 5ft her son could jump over 5ft and his dad went onto eventing so obviously jumped over 5ft but he could anyways as when point to point he was jumping hurdles



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    I know he had a dk bay Holsteiner, Chagall. I'll have to dig out my Rolex books to figure out the name of the Welsh/ TB gelding he had. I was sure his name was Adonis but thinking it's something else now.



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    Ahhh found it...The Executive II that was his name. He was a real cutey! I'd have to check his height but think he was around 16'3hh.



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    mg - that is one cute pony!

    And I would love for my 11 yo Pony Clubber to have a good cross like this. We ended up moving her up from her 12 hh Welsh to a 14.1 QH pony. Only knew 3 things: Spooking loses people, if I tuck my head, people think I am on the bit, dinner time is 5:30! Now after 6 months, she knows to take contact, jump a 2'6" course, her little rider doesn't come off easily so why expend the effort, leg yielding is fun, transitions just keep coming so maybe if I just focus we can go eat, and..... it doesn't matter how many times I refuse the xcountry jumps my little rider is not going to quit so now I jump them so I can go....... eat! Are the Welshies any different? Should I have held out?
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    i've had two. one is an fei dressage pony up in canada, and the other i just got in for sale, has been a hunter, and jumps around the 3ft. with no problem. both very fancy movers. the one is canada is a large pony a huge 14.2 and the one here is 15.1
    forgot to say the one here(15.1) is a farnley pony that over grew.he has been kicking butt in the hunter ring for a couple of years, wish he could event cause he would be really fun.jumps real good.but easy to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mg View Post
    I have one!! He's just a hair under 14.2hh though, so not a small horse. He probably could have sold for a pretty pony on the hunter market because of his desirable height. His dam was a 13.2hh Crossroads Welsh pony and I'm pretty sure his sire wasn't a very large TB. He was originally bred for driving--the dam was a fabulous driving pony and her owner's friend had a TB they decided to breed to for fun. To be honest, I don't see much of the Welsh in him. When people ask me what he is and then exclaim, "OH! I definitely see the Welsh!" I get confused. My friend calls him a TB someone shrunk in the dryer, which I find to be a very accurate description.

    As much as I love my guy to pieces, I do find that the pony-meets-TB brain tends to lead to performance anxiety and overreactions. Everything must be presented in a very diplomatic manner with lots of pats, cooing, and reassurance.

    ....and because this topic OBVIOUSLY calls for picture sharing

    http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._8103028_n.jpg
    http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2185145_n.jpg
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    gorgeous



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    I know one. She is a large. Very nice pony who did do well in the hunter ring but the kid prefers to event now. Pony gets great dressage scores and can jump around, make time etc no problem. She is limited only because she had a stifle injury (wheelbarrrow accident with stupid staff) and the owners are now very careful with her. Kid has a prelim horse to do the bigger stuff with so the pony is just used to play around on. I've ridden her (I'm 5'9" but she doesn't ride small) and she is a bit hot and requires a bit of finesse so probably not a beginner/little kid type ride. I love this pony.

    Here she is at a Lucinda Green clinic this summer, the whole album is just her:

    http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...03114374GAZphG
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    We have one in our barn right now actually. Just imported him from England. Dad was a 13.2 welsh stallion, not sure what mom was, but she had to have been huge! LJ is just shy of 16.3h. Super athletic, amazing floaty mover. Very much rides like a pony, soft and light, and a bit behind the leg. He can do a mean little sideways buck and leap though, we always joke that is the pony side.

    Oh found the photo of him with his old owner in England:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/smokeyblue/3674106105/



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    Quote Originally Posted by goeslikestink View Post
    theres tons in uk lol
    Does the UK have mostly cob crosses or do they have lots of section A & B crosses too? I used to board with a woman from England and she has a couple welsh cob/tb crosses at her barn. Lovely animals and very similar to my section b/tb cross in attitude, but not at all in body type!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vbunny View Post
    Connemaras can JUMP and gallop. I think the welsh ponies are better known for a more hunter-y style.
    Oh heck no! Welsh ponies and cobs are excellent jumpers. I rode loads of them, and TB x Welsh pony or cob growing up. They hunted, evented, did dressage, showed in working hunters, drove and did endurance.

    It's a real shame there aren't more Welsh cob x TBs in the US - they are a fantastic, forward horse. And of course Welsh ponies are the basis of the world renowned British Riding Pony and German Riding Pony.
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