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    Default Robert Dover vs EN

    Everyone else following this?

    I kind of feel like I'm in high school again.



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    Like, totally. lol


    ETA:
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    I find it bizarro and completely high-school-ish, except my high school just didn't have that kind of drama!
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    Haha I am in fact following it, and I do find it quite entertaining.
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    haha yes I'm following it...it's a little ridiculous on Robert Dover's side imo lol....Targeting coren like that was a little uncalled for. EN at least had actual reasons behind their posts lol



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    Default I got sucked in...

    I admit, I got sucked into that debate and have posted a few times on there. I've always been impressed by Robert as a rider, ONLY, and thought he was a pretty egotistical ass otherwise. This blog has certainly convinced me that I was being kind to think of him in that light.

    The whole idea of "Dover's World" is so narcissistic it scares me. Who IS this guy, really? Methinks he fancies himself a demi-god. His remarks are at least as snide as anything Coren ever wrote. He told me to go read his bio like I was an idiot. The joke is on him, though, because it hardly mentions his volunteer work.

    I think I'm going to put him on a giant, global IGNORE button.
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    Every time I read "Dover's World" (the title, that is, not the postings) I hear it in a high-pitched, Sesame Street voice.

    And, I'm sure this makes me childish, but every time I scroll down on EN and see that pic of bare-headed Dover with "If only there was something we could do to make horse sports safer..." I crack up.
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    Cool

    Does anyone else think that Mr. Dover starts these little drama fests every couple months to get some traffic on his blog.
    (And maybe a few listeners to his radio show?)



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    Thanks for the update. Saw something about it yesterday but forgot to check in about it today. Up to date for the moment.

    Somehow I am visualizing a 2-year-old child lying on the floor having a huge temper tantrum screaming and kicking his legs.



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    I definitely appreciate all of the support we have gotten from everyone, but in some sense I think the situation has been blown out of proportion by several of the comments from eventers on Robert's post. I know, I know, it's hard to imagine that things would get blown out of proportion when a dressage superstar questions the legitimacy of eventing and implies that we are killing horses for sport, right?

    But, as I have written on EN, we have always had respect for Robert, and for his contributions to US eventing and the Canadian dressage team, and we still do. It's important to have a dialogue about eventing safety, but questioning the legitimacy of our great sport or attacking an EN writer for a lighthearted joke, as Robert has learned, will only get a large group of eventers very angry at you. The important step moving forward is that we keep focusing on the issue of improving safety in both dressage and eventing.



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    Totally agree that whomever makes whatever remarks, the most important point is that safety in equestrian sport is being brought to the forefront and being discussed across all media.

    I also did not realize that the collapsible fence proposal was, in fact, first written by Robert Dover.

    The other John said that my proposal of having ALL jumps be collapsable upon firm impact resulting in 20 (He said 21) points being deducted was being considered. I would deduct the 20 for the first fence, 40 for the second and elimination for the third, unless it was already clear at the first or second that the horse should not proceed on the course because of exhaustion or any other appropriate reason. This, I believe, would ultimately produce more careful and better riding and hopefully far less accidents in the future. I actually wrote this proposal about two years ago when I first started DoversWorld.com and have also brought it up to top riders such as Darren and Missy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary in Area 1 View Post
    I admit, I got sucked into that debate and have posted a few times on there. I've always been impressed by Robert as a rider, ONLY, and thought he was a pretty egotistical ass otherwise. This blog has certainly convinced me that I was being kind to think of him in that light.

    The whole idea of "Dover's World" is so narcissistic it scares me. Who IS this guy, really? Methinks he fancies himself a demi-god. His remarks are at least as snide as anything Coren ever wrote. He told me to go read his bio like I was an idiot. The joke is on him, though, because it hardly mentions his volunteer work.

    I think I'm going to put him on a giant, global IGNORE button.
    Mary, I think I read two of your posts last night and did a "BOOYA!" after you wrote them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PuraVidaEventing View Post
    haha yes I'm following it...it's a little ridiculous on Robert Dover's side imo lol....Targeting coren like that was a little uncalled for. EN at least had actual reasons behind their posts lol
    I dunno. She kinda lobbed off the first shot with her cute little 20-meter circle comment. He just called her on it, and didn't seem to do it in an unduly harsh way. At least, he refrained from making a similarly smart-ass comment in return.

    Overall, nothing wrong with having a little back-and-forth blogging. Everyone gets to have their say. Maybe something productive will come out of it, beyond the entertainment value.
    I evented just for the Halibut.



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    Dovergate is like watching paint dry...no, wait a minute, it's winter and we need to watch paint dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideonbestrong View Post
    Dovergate is like watching paint dry...no, wait a minute, it's winter and we need to watch paint dry.
    Headache inducing bright pastel paint no less.
    Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!



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    Quote Originally Posted by claire View Post
    Does anyone else think that Mr. Dover starts these little drama fests every couple months to get some traffic on his blog.
    (And maybe a few listeners to his radio show?)
    Yes, I agree.

    But, as someone else has mentioned, if it also gives exposure to the issue and leads to some discussions/sites that have previously lacked notice (as EventingSafetyJohn mentioned in his post yesterday) then we can't complain. I will enjoy the dialog as entertainment, but I will be grateful for any advancement of the actual discourse that this serves to provide.



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    I don't think discourse is possible with Robert. He doesn't seem to answer direct questions and dismisses the abuse in his own sport.

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    Mary, you're crackin' me UPPP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary in Area 1 View Post
    I don't think discourse is possible with Robert.
    You're probably right! Haha!

    When I said "discourse," I meant the informed and productive discussions out there (that are happening elsewhere). When I referred to the entertaining "dialog," that's where I was thinking pretty much of Dover and the comments on his rantings. I was trying to distinguish the narcissistic chatter (Dover's World) from the more earnest conversations that are occurring....somewhere else. He's got every right to say what he wants on his blog, I just hope that no one (well, obviously not the eventers out here) believes his chatter to be the only conversation on this topic that is happening (as he likes to pretend, sometimes).



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    Quote Originally Posted by claire View Post
    Does anyone else think that Mr. Dover starts these little drama fests every couple months to get some traffic on his blog.
    (And maybe a few listeners to his radio show?)
    YES! That's what I wrote in the comments section of the EN post -- Robert has apparently been studying reality TV and had the revelation that more drama = more blog hits, COTH threads, EN posts, etc. I'm sure this is just the beginning! (*Mental note: buy industrial-sized tub of popcorn*)



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    I can't find the discussion - can someone post a link or tell me where to look? Thanks!



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