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    So my Third level mare KwPN just re-injured her SDF in the pasture, so it appears she's going to need an extended layoff. I've been tossing around the idea of breeding her. (Suggested to me by Bo Jena after seeing the mare ridden in one of his clinics.)

    She is 15.1 1/2 hands, maiden mare, wide barreled, takes up almost the same amount of leg as my 16.2 1/2 hand SWB mare. So either taller baby or same size since I'm almost 5'6" with a longer leg.

    Baby would be an eventual replacement for her as she ages - my mount, not for sale. Discipline is upper level dressage.

    Mare has what I'd call an "8 or 9" walk, a "9' trot and a "9" canter. LOTS of suspension, great collection and very good extension. Good temperment albeit can be stubborn. But I'm an AA and I was the rider who has started her and have done most of her training (under guidance of professionals). Once she turned 8 she needed to be put on Regumate which resolved 90% of her temperment issues, she was fine until she turned 8 - that's when she started temperment issues which Regumate resolved for the most part.

    She has a clubby right front hoof, could use a bit more size, has a super neck - long - see her sire Wolfgang (KwPN as she has his neck and short pasterns).

    Bloodlines Wolfgang v. Voltaire (imported from Holland as a baby).

    I don't care about color. Want a bit more size, same or better temperment, FEI ability, registed in a European directory studbook. (It should not be hard getting her accepted into another studbook, she's in NAWPN.) I am not rich but can afford stud fee for most very good stallions (but $5K for Totalis is too rich for me).

    Suggestions?
    Sandy in Fla.



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    If you don't mind trying frozen, my dream stallion is Don Shufro (http://www.yancey-farms.com/champion_stallion.html). I LOVE his offspring.

    If Don Shufro is too expensive (which I totally understand...that's why I didn't breed to him), another few I like are Quaterback (http://www.yancey-farms.com/quarterb...arterback.html), Harmony's Rousseau (http://www.hasslerdressage.com/stallions/rousseau1.html), and Dacaprio (http://www.bridlewoodhanoverians.com/dacaprio.php).

    But those are just one's *I* like! :-)

    Good luck and have fun in your search!
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    Book -
    I like your choices.
    Don Shufro has great bloodlines (Love Donnerhall and Pik Bube) and super performance credentials. A bit pricey (and scarey since he's frozen and my mare is a maiden) but definately a possibility. I love that 176 dressage index! I will email Judy and ask about him and Quaterback (who was on my list of possibilities). With both of them I'd certainly get a chestnut - wonder if I'd get a Liver since my mare is also a Liver Chestnut. You can't ride color (but I love the Liver Chestnuts)!

    Harmony's Rousseau is also nice and I'll have to look at Dacaprio. I had also looked at Freestype and UB-40, although UB-40 has Farn close up, as does my mare... so probably not a good choice.
    Sandy in Fla.



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    Sandy,
    Has your mare been presented to the NAWPN? I thought they had a minimum size acceptable for studbook. Of course, you can breed a foalbook mare.

    I have a well bred Dutch filly who is only 15H at 2.5 yrs so I am interested in options for the smaller mares.



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    I would recommend emailing Jeannette Nijhof in Holland to see if she can give you some good suggestions since both Wolfgang and Voltaire stood there. She gave me great suggestions on the two mares I purchased from her (one a Wolfgang granddaughter). Both foals turned out fantastic. PM me for her email address if you would like.
    Richard, Approved Black KWPN Stallion
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    Oh Kaptain Underpants SFS, Approved BRp pony stallion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakstable View Post
    Sandy,
    Has your mare been presented to the NAWPN? I thought they had a minimum size acceptable for studbook. Of course, you can breed a foalbook mare.

    I have a well bred Dutch filly who is only 15H at 2.5 yrs so I am interested in options for the smaller mares.
    ????

    If her mare is registered KWPN and imported she can be bred to an approved KWPN or Erkend stallion and receive KWPN papers on the foal. She does not need to present the mare.
    Richard, Approved Black KWPN Stallion
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    Oh Kaptain Underpants SFS, Approved BRp pony stallion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentina_32926 View Post
    Book -
    I like your choices.
    Don Shufro has great bloodlines (Love Donnerhall and Pik Bube) and super performance credentials. A bit pricey (and scarey since he's frozen and my mare is a maiden) but definately a possibility. I love that 176 dressage index! I will email Judy and ask about him and Quaterback (who was on my list of possibilities). With both of them I'd certainly get a chestnut - wonder if I'd get a Liver since my mare is also a Liver Chestnut. You can't ride color (but I love the Liver Chestnuts)!

    Harmony's Rousseau is also nice and I'll have to look at Dacaprio. I had also looked at Freestype and UB-40, although UB-40 has Farn close up, as does my mare... so probably not a good choice.

    I was just going to say UB40..but then I read this LOL...
    I am no expert when it comes to line breeding and all...but wanted to just let you know that UB4O definitely adds height.
    My colt by him has legs that go on for miles. When he was inspected at GOV, the inspectors told us he would at least hit 16-16.1, and he is out of a 15.1 Arabian mare, and he is the same size as other "full" warmblood babies his age at this point!
    Meghan at ISF is also the nicest person to talk to, before I picked what stallion to use we went through all the stallions on their roster one by one and went through the postives and the negatives. They are great to work with!
    Samantha Werner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakstable View Post
    Sandy,
    Has your mare been presented to the NAWPN? I thought they had a minimum size acceptable for studbook. Of course, you can breed a foalbook mare.

    I have a well bred Dutch filly who is only 15H at 2.5 yrs so I am interested in options for the smaller mares.
    Oak -
    She was presented as a foal to KWPN and as a yearling to NAWPN and I have not followed up since she doesn't meet minimum height (around 15.3) and would be in a lower studbook, so I would have to go through qualifying her for some studbook.

    Since the baby would be registered I'm opening up the stallion possibilities to other than KWPN since she's not yet in a main mare book. I'm also unsure of height qualifications for main mare book in other registeries so it might have to be a lesser book for the mare - but perhaps for a larger foal move up to the "regular" book?
    Sandy in Fla.



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    Sandy,
    As I said, I have a filly who is not likely to make the required size either.
    You can breed a Foalbook mare to an approved KWPN stallion, tho. There should be a chart showing what kind of papers you would get in the Dutch web site.



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    Here's a link to the registration chart.
    http://kwpn-na.org/display/files/Reg...Chart_2009.pdf

    A foalbook (Vb) mare can have registered offpsring.
    Alison/Mikali Farms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakstable View Post
    Sandy,
    As I said, I have a filly who is not likely to make the required size either.
    You can breed a Foalbook mare to an approved KWPN stallion, tho. There should be a chart showing what kind of papers you would get in the Dutch web site.
    Thanks - since I'm breeding the mare for riding I really wasn't too worried about the papers - but since mare is registered I do want stallion to also be registered, and of course the "right" fit.
    Sandy in Fla.



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    How about De Niro or De Noir? Both father and son are tall, have great temperments, are easy to work around and produce great movers. Carol Austin at Superior Equine Sires has them both in stock and De Noir is only $900 and De Niro is $1500.
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    Hi Sandy,
    Have you checked out Sampson? Dutch bred by Jannie Baard, he has a huge show record here and abroad and his owners are just now working on his approvals. He is 16.2 and produces height, bone and disposition. He is relatively unknown in the US as a sire, but has foals showing in Europe. He is a black/bay.

    Karen Berk

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