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    Default Cross Post from Eventing regarding the FEH

    Hi All

    I am urging anyone involved in this section that has anything to do with Eventing to email their contacts to voice support for the Future Event Horse program. I am told that there is a possibility that it could fold. I really don't want that to happen.

    Please read the thread/threads under Eventing to follow it better.

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    Here is a list of the top three issues that I've seen with FEH classes in our area:

    1) No one offers them
    2) No one offers them
    3) No one offers them

    Seriously - I entered my mare in one as a 2 year old. It was the only one in Florida that year. There were none in Florida her three year old year.... I think there may have been one or two in the northern part of area III but I wasn't about to haul my pregnant self and a 3-year old 14 hours for like 2 minutes of showing and a score sheet that gave me a number and a three word explanation of said number....

    Maybe that's the root cause of the problems in the FEH classes. They're too far away to offer a good return on the time/energy you have to invest in them to compete.

    Organizers want big classes because they need to be able to pay the judges but as the class is offered right now, they're just not able to pull from beyond their immediate region.
    For what it's worth, in the one FEH I competed my horse in, there were 5 entries. In the USDF young horse classes I did that year, there were 2-4 in the classes. Low participation is not unique to the FEH - Just the expectations that there will be tons of people lining up to bring out babies.

    Cost is always the argument. I think they need to look at brining down the cost. Let's let the dressage judges score the class as part of their duty at a horse trial instead of bringing in a separate FEH judge.

    The other option is to have the classes give more "bang" for the buck. The one FEH I went to was run like and scored like a USDF class. I wasn't going to trailer to north Georgia or South Carolina for one of those BUT if there had been a free jumping competition or something along those lines, I would have been much more tempted to load my horse onto a trailer and make the trip.



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    Also if you look at the YEH entries at the finals this year, you'll see another big part of the problem.

    Several were imported and spent their FEH years in Europe
    Several were OTTBs who had been racing durring their FEH years.

    Definitely would be worth taking a look at the YEH entries and seeing where they were those years to see if this is a larger trend.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    Here is a list of the top three issues that I've seen with FEH classes in our area:

    1) No one offers them
    2) No one offers them
    3) No one offers them
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    I wrote to Jo at USEA and may write to each of the other FEH committee members that Aussie08 was kind enough to post on the FEH thread on the Eventing forum. It just took a second to email her with encouragement to keep the FEH division. This was the first year we didn't show in it since its inception. It's a good division that requires a judge qualified to look at actual eventing prospects and would do better if the more well known and older eventing breeders like Denny Emerson, Bruce Davidson, Nina Gardner, the O'Connors, etc. would compete and give their weight to it. USEA seems to have taken a big turn away from U.S. bred riders, coaches, and horses which seems odd considering who funds USEA.



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    Default Sorry to say

    I don't think the IDHSNA gets much out of their participation.
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    No, but IDHSNA was wonderful to sponsor it for the last few years and because of that, a lot of us breeders became more aware of Irish Draughts and Irish Sport Horses, their bloodlines, and their contributions to international sport. IDHSNA also made the FEH classes a lot of fun, like when my hubby two years ago at the ISHSNA National Show thought the two Irish judges for the FEH classes were Amish and asked plenty of questions about them without realizing his camera was filming gravel but recording everything he said!



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    I sent a quick email to Karen (from our region), the Chairperson and one staff person explaining that we were venturing into breeding for the eventing market and are eager to participate in these FEH and YEH classes in our area (Northcentral Florida near Ocala) as a way to check our breeding choices and meet up with other enthusiasts.
    It took less than 5 minutes and is better than remaining silent.
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    Just a suggestion since the BIG concern seems to be cost....

    DBSH shows also have low entires per class (2-5) but they can stay afloat and afford to hire the judge because they have SO many classes offered.

    Perhaps USDF and USEA need to look at partnering, and running these classes in conjunction with a USDF in hand show. If we can get judges who are trained to judge both, they'll be able to run the class with fewer entries.

    Unfortunately I don't think they're going to get the turnout they want per class to make it profitable when there are only three classes they can offer (or six if they split by gender too). That said, if it was held along with a DBSH show, it won't all be on a very small sub group of horses to meet expenses.



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    At some events the FEH judges also judge the YEH classes(i.e. Waredaca). The classes were scheduled in the mid afternon with the YEH to follow.
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    I'm sorry to hear this. I was hoping to show a couple of Bravo's babies next year in the YEH and FEH shows since Bravo is competing in eventing. I showed several of them in the USDF breedshows this year but thought it would be fun to try the event shows next year along with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    Just a suggestion since the BIG concern seems to be cost....

    DBSH shows also have low entires per class (2-5) but they can stay afloat and afford to hire the judge because they have SO many classes offered.

    Perhaps USDF and USEA need to look at partnering, and running these classes in conjunction with a USDF in hand show. If we can get judges who are trained to judge both, they'll be able to run the class with fewer entries.

    Unfortunately I don't think they're going to get the turnout they want per class to make it profitable when there are only three classes they can offer (or six if they split by gender too). That said, if it was held along with a DBSH show, it won't all be on a very small sub group of horses to meet expenses.
    We are involved in the organization of a DBSH show in September near Ocala. Do you think that if I start to agitate for inclusion of FEH classes there, we would be able to get the idea up the chain in USDF and USEA? Actually, this show had to cancel last year because of low entry numbers- I would think that adding a new segment of participants would be very appealing. I am certainly willing to float the idea at our next meeting of the Sunshine Sporthorse Association in mid-November.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    Perhaps USDF and USEA need to look at partnering, and running these classes in conjunction with a USDF in hand show. If we can get judges who are trained to judge both, they'll be able to run the class with fewer entries.
    I also think this is an interesting idea. However, I'd want to be sure that the judges are capable of evaluating FEHs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakura Hill Farm View Post
    We are involved in the organization of a DBSH show in September near Ocala. Do you think that if I start to agitate for inclusion of FEH classes there, we would be able to get the idea up the chain in USDF and USEA? Actually, this show had to cancel last year because of low entry numbers- I would think that adding a new segment of participants would be very appealing. I am certainly willing to float the idea at our next meeting of the Sunshine Sporthorse Association in mid-November.
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    I don't see either one meeting expenses all on their own. If there is a certified judge who is capable of judging both though it would make a lot more sense. I think the biggest challenge to this would be getting judges to be certified to judge both types of classes.

    I still think a free jumping class for 2 & 3 year olds would be quite a draw too. Then you might even get some of the jumper breeders on board to show off their young stock.

    I don't think any one group can pull this off successfully all on their own but by banding together, there might be a chance of keeping these young horse programs afloat.



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    My suggestion to Ms. Whitehouse (who responded immediately to my concerned email and replied that she also wants to retain the FEH division) was to limit the qualifying competitions to one per USEA area and then have 3 FEH regional finals; East, Mid West, and West with the triangle and also free jumping. That's a lot of work but it would be fun, and no area would feel left out. Also to have eventing prospect experts as judges. I don't know if it will work but feel encouraged that USEA stated a desire to keep the FEH division with some modifications.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dianehalpin View Post
    My suggestion to Ms. Whitehouse (who responded immediately to my concerned email and replied that she also wants to retain the FEH division) was to limit the qualifying competitions to one per USEA area and then have 3 FEH regional finals; East, Mid West, and West with the triangle and also free jumping.
    That's a good suggestion, at least up to the free jumping.

    However, about that free jumping -- I assume you mean only for the 3 year-olds. I'd make it an option for the entrant because this isn't something everyone does or wants to do with their 3 year-olds. Plus, there are points in their growth when you don't want to have them doing this. And free jumping requires a safe enclosure. Having seen horses get loose and crash through barriers, I'd be very leery of this.

    Also, what kind of jump would you reward in a prospective eventer? They only have to jump 1.20m in XC at top level and they don't have to do it with any style at all. A SJ-type of knee-snapping, lofty jump is not an indication of eventing ability.

    I'd rather see the canter/gallop evaluated but even at liberty, most youngsters look like, well, Arabs when they're loose in a buzzy environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by dianehalpin View Post
    That's a lot of work but it would be fun, and no area would feel left out. Also to have eventing prospect experts as judges. I don't know if it will work but feel encouraged that USEA stated a desire to keep the FEH division with some modifications.
    I think establishing a schedule, like you suggested, well in advance and sticking to it would do wonders for the program.



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    You are so right about the age of any horse free-jumping. It would only be the three year olds but I thought it would give judges an opportunity to judge the canter; however that could be done some other way or not at all. Most of us free-jump 3 year olds preparing for the Mare Performance Tests in Hanoverian and find the jump chutes are safe if set up properly; however, it's a lot of work and not all handlers are skilled in leading properly into the chute, so a possible huge problem there. I was really just kicking around ideas.



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    Yep.... When I was saying free jumping, and throwing the 2 y.o.s out there, I was thinking end of the 2 y.o. year, which would mean really you could only do it for 3 year olds.

    And I know that they don't need any sort of style to finish an event but I certainly wouldn't want to attempt to jump anything big and substantial on a horse that hangs legs, etc.

    Almost all WB inspections offer free jumping. The spacing and set up of a chute is fairly standard. Mares can be free jumped at their mare performance tests with the AHHA at 2 1/2 years old, and with most other WB registries, it's can be done at 3.



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    the issue with both free jump and at liberty canter is that it pretty much has to be done in an indoor setting (see other FEH post in eventing for longer version on why) and not all FEH events in the past were at an indoor (i.e. Fair Hill). Now if the locations were limited to one per area then trying to limit it to locations that had an indoor would not be as bad.



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