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    Default Horses as Pets...

    And by pets, I do not mean that we all refer to them as part of our family. I do that with some of my personal horses.

    I am referring to the infuriating habit that seems to run rampant through the middle aged, insecure, nurturing mother type women in this industry. I am sick to death of this category treating their horses with the best of care, the best of life style, only to be so pathetically intimidated by their own personal short comings as to refuse under any circumstances to bring their skill sets up to a level whereby the horse does not run rough shod all over them, thus the horse never develops the coping skills to deal with situations outside the horses tiny bubble of a comfort zone. generally, the horse either ends up a nasty, ill mannered SOB or a cowering dangerous chicken s***. Both are hell to be around and down right dangerous.

    Yes, this is a venting rant...

    Horses are NOT cats. You can not love them into good behavior. They are not made of dynamite but they can hurt you. So learn some friggin' horse handling skills if you never put a leg over the damn horse.

    I am up to my ears with this and were it not for my good upbringing, I would tell these women what for.

    Why do women do this? and it seems to always involve some major personal short coming on the woman's side of the equation. They are perfectly able and capable of learning how to be the leader in a horse human partnership. They just make excuses or flat out refuse to change their relationship with the horse. It's kind of sick, actually, and I'm getting very tiring having to be around it.

    Am I crazy or this an epidemic?
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    right on!!!!!!!



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    and another thing....
    To be perfectly clear, I have absolutely no problem what so ever with folks that choose not to ride. That's fine, not my cup of tea but whatever.

    I have a problem with people who board in a boarding barn situation and are surrounded by knowledgable horsemen with lots of opportunities to learn good ground skills and they. just. won't.

    I have a problem with someone buying their first horse only a few years ago, being completely overwhelmed and stressed about learning how to handled said horse, having seven years opportunity to be surrounded by professional knowledge and not taking advantage of that knowledge, then building a barn in their backyard with the intention of rescueing neglected and abused horses.

    There are certain behaviors that every domesticated horse should be expected to attempt learning in their lifetime. They are as follows>
    Lead politely
    Tie safely
    Allow humans to pick feet, bath wounds, administer medications
    To stop and go when asked

    If you own a horse and you do not know how to keep a horse up to speed on these simple tasks, you are responsible as that horse owner to LEARN HOW TO TEACH IT!

    I'm not talking little children. I'm talking able bodied, sound minded ADULTS.

    And if you are not emotionally capable of handling the responsibilty of being the leader in your horse human relationship, GET A FISH!
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    I think it starts with calling yourself the animals "mother".
    I wonder what that makes me, when they call me my dog's "mother" at the vets?
    Some day, I will forget myself and answer, "do you mean I am a B"?

    Yes, the world is changing and I wonder at times where it is going.

    I am glad I am not training for the public any more.
    It was bad enough to retrain colts someone could not get started and had them bucking, rearing and bolting.
    It must be frustrating to add to that running over you looking for treats.



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    Well, if they could guarantee that the horse would never need to leave their farm or be handled by anyone else EVER, it wouldn't be a big deal. But, it usually doesn't happen that way, just like spoiled kids wind up out in the real world and make the rest of us suffer.
    I keep saying that we need Pony Club for grown-ups, but now how to get this type to go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReSomething View Post
    I keep saying that we need Pony Club for grown-ups, but now how to get this type to go!
    I thought they had one.... wife mentioned it a while ago.....
    Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belg View Post
    I thought they had one.... wife mentioned it a while ago.....
    Yes, there is one, but that would involve learning.
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    Try setting your broomstick to fly at a lower altitude.



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    I knew a woman like this yrs ago. She had what could have been a very nice TB gelding, he needed a strong hand, and to be REGULARLY worked. She let him act like a total PITA. She tried Clinton Anderson, she sent him out for 30 days 3 or 4 times, but she would never ride him. She had a very talented up and coming rider at the barn ride him, but wouldn't let the girl be firm like he needed. One day the horse bucked the girl off, for no reason, and the woman WOULD NOT let the girl reprimand him. If he acted up, it was the saddle, not the fact that the horse needed his a** handed to him.
    I could tell you some other stories that would turn your hair white, but I don't want to take the chance that someone might recognize her!!

    In situ like that and the ones referenced above, I feel for the horse, if anything happens, that's the kind of horse that's first on the meat truck. Especially in a market like this one.

    I do have to say that I do fit into this category a tiny bit. I call myself "mommy" to my critters, never meant to , just happened. I have a horse that I feel "out horsed" by, tho I know I'm not. I don't ride him, but he does have ground manners, I don't play those games. He does have a forever home with me tho, if for any reason I can't keep him he gets the big pink shot.

    LBR



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    I think there should be a personality test before being allowed to purchase a horse. Like the three day hold gun law!

    And if the test shows you are a cat person, no horse.

    I like cats but let's face it. True Cat People are not Horse People.

    I have a cat. I like my cat. But I don't understand having an animal live IN YOUR HOUSE that will puke, piss and crap where ever it wants, when ever it wants and YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT!!! This, my friends, is the definition of a person who should not own a 1000 pound herd animal in need of a leader.





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    Ladybug, don't worry. Listen, I too call the horses my kids. I affectionately refer to them all as ponies even though we don't have a pony on the place. But there is a huuuuuuuuuuge difference between having a little verbal sweet talk between you and your animals and being just a complete absolute pansy aarse who is too imtimidated by your own shadow to insist that horse ownership requires good boundaries and respect from the animal. IT MAKES THEM A HAPPIER ANIMAL!! the chicken s*** horse is begging for someone to lead them. And the SOB is begging for someone to take over the lead role so they can take a breather!

    Calling yourself the mommy - not part of the definition.
    Letting your horse drag your arse down the aisle without making one single attempt to inform the horse that this is not okay, hoping he stops before dragging you out of the barn = Grand Prize for best example of the definition.

    And do you notice that so many of these women are always so worried about everything. Worried that their horse is happy, worried that their horse is stressed, worried when the horse gets old that the owner will have to "gasp" live without the horse! Worried worried worried. How about being worried that you are making a complete arse of yourself and annoying all the other strong minded women in the world over your complete inability to buck up and be resolute about something, anything in your pathetic life!!!!


    I can not staaaaand weak women.
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    LOL, don't be hatin on cat people now!

    Cat people and horse people do have overlapping qualities.

    I suppose your cause of blowing off steam is a cat person...but I seem to see a lot more people out there who have not realized - since they lack the country roots - that horses are not like big dogs.

    (besides, once you got kids, you are used to the puking and crapping, cats don't make that much of a mess anyhow!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    Yes, there is one, but that would involve learning.
    There is that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by winfieldfarm View Post
    I think there should be a personality test before being allowed to purchase a horse. Like the three day hold gun law!

    And if the test shows you are a cat person, no horse.

    I like cats but let's face it. True Cat People are not Horse People.

    I have a cat. I like my cat. But I don't understand having an animal live IN YOUR HOUSE that will puke, piss and crap where ever it wants, when ever it wants and YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT!!! This, my friends, is the definition of a person who should not own a 1000 pound herd animal in need of a leader.





    I need a drink... (marches off in disgust...)
    Now, I disagree with that generalization.
    I am an animal person in general, including a horse and dog and CAT person.
    As you can see, cats are not all that you say, they even use the bathroom properly:

    http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...g?t=1287515080

    I have also been a professional in the horse industry all my now long life.
    They are not mutually exclusive, really.

    There are all kinds of people, including those that are good with horses and cats.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmine View Post
    There's a lady at my barn that HAD to buy a baby this spring. Simply insisted that she buy a foal. Several people suggested that she buy a mini, but no. She NEEDED a foal.

    She's never ridden. Never owned a horse. Has no intention of ever riding.

    I sold her one of my colts, and here's why:
    She respects and accepts my advise. She wants to learn. She treats the colt like a horse and not a dog/cat/hamster.

    The colt is nothing more than a pet. He will eventually be broke and ridden by this lady's daughter and grandchildren, but not her. He's spoiled rotten with treats and grooming, but he knows his boundaries.

    Having horses as pets and nothing more isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    Well, pet and pet. It's nice to know that one can be clueless and still able to learn. I don't think she was the target of the OP's vent, quiet the opposite.
    There is nothing wrong with not riding, or even spoiling if the safety context is given. Horses don't need to be ridden. They can live happily without.
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    Since when don't dogs clean themselves in public or puke in the house? Is it just cats that deserve this diatribe? But, I digress.

    Look, as far as I'm concerned I would far rather deal with someone's disrespectful horse than their disrespectful child. A friend of mine recently vented this same thing, wishing that people with horses should be required to get licenses before owning them. My reply, after recently dealing with the most bratty, disrespectful teenager in the barn ( who happened to be one of her students), was that I thought people should be required to get licenses before having kids. You would have thought I'd shot her. Totally stunned that I could have said that, but so totally understanding why.

    Disrespectful kids may not weigh 1000 pounds, but they can be h*ll to deal with, and for a lot longer than a quickly corrected disrespectful horse. And they can talk back a wild blue streak while they're at it. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll take the horse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by winfieldfarm View Post
    And if the test shows you are a cat person, no horse.

    I like cats but let's face it. True Cat People are not Horse People.

    I have a cat. I like my cat. But I don't understand having an animal live IN YOUR HOUSE that will puke, piss and crap where ever it wants, when ever it wants and YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT!!!
    Hold 'er there, pardner! I'm a cat person, a dog person, a horse person...heck, I love and get along with all sorts of animals. My cats don't piss and crap wherever they want - and they are very polite to boot.

    One of 'em even plays fetch.

    I have to be honest though - I didn't get along with a bat I rescued one time. Had to give it a bath and it didn't want a bath. It obviously thought I was the most horrible creature ever born, and it did nothing but hiss and snarl at me during our entire (short) relationship. Can't really blame it though - a complete stranger tried to give me a bath, I'd probably do the same.

    (And yes, I know. Bats, rabies, yada yada. Most bats don't have rabies, many are becoming endangered, and I wore long, heavy leather gloves.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief2 View Post
    Since when don't dogs clean themselves in public or puke in the house? Is it just cats that deserve this diatribe? But, I digress.

    Look, as far as I'm concerned I would far rather deal with someone's disrespectful horse than their disrespectful child. A friend of mine recently vented this same thing, wishing that people with horses should be required to get licenses before owning them. My reply, after recently dealing with the most bratty, disrespectful teenager in the barn ( who happened to be one of her students), was that I thought people should be required to get licenses before having kids. You would have thought I'd shot her. Totally stunned that I could have said that, but so totally understanding why.

    Disrespectful kids may not weigh 1000 pounds, but they can be h*ll to deal with, and for a lot longer than a quickly corrected disrespectful horse. And they can talk back a wild blue streak while they're at it. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll take the horse.
    Push comes to shove you can shove said disrespectful horse into his stall and walk away for a bit without offending them. I was taught not to give horses treats, didn't blanket them, shod all four feet for the trail horses and rode the stallions in mixed company all the time. Horses are livestock not pets. Then again I do name the cattle too...
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    What serious breeder would think that a horse at that performance level is push button? Even so, that's still a lot of buttons to push.



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    "I am sick to death of this category treating their horses with the best of care, the best of life style"

    There are worse things.
    I was a little offended at first, but I respect that this is just a rant. Have fun getting it off your chest.



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    Quote Originally Posted by prairiewind2 View Post
    Hold 'er there, pardner! I'm a cat person, a dog person, a horse person...heck, I love and get along with all sorts of animals. My cats don't piss and crap wherever they want - and they are very polite to boot.

    One of 'em even plays fetch.

    I have to be honest though - I didn't get along with a bat I rescued one time. Had to give it a bath and it didn't want a bath. It obviously thought I was the most horrible creature ever born, and it did nothing but hiss and snarl at me during our entire (short) relationship. Can't really blame it though - a complete stranger tried to give me a bath, I'd probably do the same.

    (And yes, I know. Bats, rabies, yada yada. Most bats don't have rabies, many are becoming endangered, and I wore long, heavy leather gloves.)

    Liz

    Screw the rabies, my question is why were you giving a bat a bath? LOL



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    Quote Originally Posted by KateKat View Post
    Screw the rabies, my question is why were you giving a bat a bath? LOL
    He needed to use the batroom?



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