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  1. #1
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    Default Would you buy a horse that roars to be used as a Medal horse?

    The horse is scary fit, is a great jumper (level 6), has a great mind and is very ride-able, but is quite the roarer. He is 9. We are looking for a horse to do the 3'6" eq/medal classes. I know that tech. speaking the judging is on the rider, but would you buy it? Tie -back surgery might be an option, but there are risks, lay up time, and of course, it might not work. Yep, there are threads on this, but none really specific to equitation use. Please give your advice!



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    Can you hear it across the ring over the announcer? If not, then sure. If it fits the bill everywhere else. EQ horses just have to be "serivceably" sound, not sound-sound.
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    My horse is a Grade 3. While he is not a level 6 jumper, he suits every other thing I could possibly need him for and wouldnt think twice about buying him again, even knowing how LOUD it can sound in the summer months.

    For the EQ and jumpers, the sound does not matter and I have not run into a problem in those classes. In the hunters, yes, I have been dinged and left out of the running all together, even after a stellar round at the local level.

    The ONLY part I hate is that people on the outside of the ring can make some really rude comments and faces.
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    No, I would not. But then i would not buy one with stringhalt and that is also not to be penalized by the judges.
    Where are you showing ? How competitive your area is will have an impact on the quality of horses showing in that division. The surgery does have some serious consequences with choking being the most dangerous but if the horse is PERFECT... only you can decide.



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    Going with the no so helpful it depends.... on what you want, on the price, on how well he will take care of your child....



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    No. I would not. I can speak from experience.
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    If the horse suits in every other way, then I would buy him. This is a manageable problem for an equitation horse.



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    I ABSOLUTELY would not buy that horse. I owned an Eq horse that developed the "problem" years after we bought him. He had the tie back surgery at Univ of Pa's New Bolton Center. It worked for him, but there was no guarantee that it wouldn't come back. The horse dropped dead in the field at age 17.
    You must also consider that the noise will probably get louder as he gets older. And, will you ever be able to sell him?
    Good luck. Let us know what you decide to do.



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    Quote Originally Posted by eqinegirl View Post
    The horse dropped dead in the field at age 17.
    Are you saying this was because of the roaring?
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    I have been doing a lot of research on the topic lately, as I am looking into surgery for my own horse. You first need to determine the reason the horse is making noise. There are several different conditions that can cause the noise. If he has laryngeal hemiplegia, tieback surgery can be performed. There are risks, of course, but if done by a specialist, this surgery often produces good results.

    My own opinion is to get the horse scoped. If it is determined that he has laryngeal hemiplegia, and is a grade 4, this is as bad as it will get. If he is performing at the level you need, and you can live with the noise, consider him. Remember though that you will need to keep him extra fit, especially in hot weather. Once a roarer loses fitness, you will probably notice some degree of exercise intolerance. If the horse scopes at a grade 1-3, he may get worse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by eqinegirl View Post
    I ABSOLUTELY would not buy that horse. I owned an Eq horse that developed the "problem" years after we bought him. He had the tie back surgery at Univ of Pa's New Bolton Center. It worked for him, but there was no guarantee that it wouldn't come back. The horse dropped dead in the field at age 17.
    You must also consider that the noise will probably get louder as he gets older. And, will you ever be able to sell him?
    Good luck. Let us know what you decide to do.
    My first horse was a roarer (I didn't know better when I bought him as a hunter & didn't have anyone to ask, since my trainer sold him to me). Having said that, he was servicably sound the rest of his life (he was 10 when I bought him). He lived well into his 20s & spent the last years as a school horse. He never got better, of course, but he also never got worse. I have since bought one more roarer (when I did know better) because my experience with the first roarer was positive. But the 2nd one was also a gelding & a quiet riding horse. I would have to do a lot more research to decide to buy one for breeding stock.

    Having said that, I particularly like the advice you got from caryledee.
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    I would agree with the recommendation to scope him to find out what kind of roarer he is. There are 3-4 different surgical options depending on how severe the paralysis is. I had one where it was only cosmetic, and he was getting plenty of air. We did a Laryngectomy (which doesn't cause them to not be able to whinny), which is a safer and easier surgery than tieback. He went on to have a very successful career.



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    First of all, keep in mind that roaring is an unsoundness so the judge has to make some remark on your scores about it. It is just like riding a horse into the ring that is lame. The last thing you need on your Eq round is a markdown because your horse is unsound.

    If it can be corrected then I would say yes, go ahead and buy it. I have an old mare that roars and she is wonderful for kids to ride, however we don't show her. In the long run it is something you have to work out with your vet.



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