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  1. #1
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    Default Goats with CL and horses?

    Long story short, my friend's goat might have CL (Caseous Lymphadenitis) and she won't know for sure until next week when the vet is done culturing it. In the meantime, the place where she keeps her goats will not allow her to bring this goat back unless the vet clears it CL free. She has no place to keep this vet and the vet probably won't board it because there is a goat on the property. Even if the vet would, she probably wouldn't be able to afford to board it.

    I do not have goats. I do not like goats and do not plan on ever having goats...so I offered to let her keep her goat at my place in my duck pen (the only place a goat can't escape). Then I started thinking...crap. CL is seriously contagious and sounds a lot like strangles. So here's my question:

    Can CL cross species? Would a goat with a lanced abcess (that is being flushed with iodine regularly) pose any sort of a health risk to my two horses (or my ducks for that matter!)? I want to help my friend and her goat but my animals are my first priority.



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    Well, the causative organism is Corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis, which presents as "pigeon fever" in horses.

    The serotypes are different, but cross-infection is probably possible.

    I'd not be terribly inclined to host such a guest.
    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.



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    From what I've read, the horse pigeon fever and the goat CL are different biotypes of the same organism, which keeps it from jumping species--unless you're a cow and then you can catch both the goat version and the horse version. Just hoping someone more experienced than me might be able to come along and add in anything they might know first hand.



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    Ghazzu is a vet and a horse owner. I'd go with what she says...
    I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.



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    My references list cross-infection between goats and equids as "uncommon".

    Might be one thing if I already owned both the goat and the horse, but I'd not be inclined to invite an infected goat to visit...
    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.



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    Once CL is in your ground, it STAYS there.

    For a long time.

    I've heard over and over again CL is the same as Pigeon Fever. Maybe it's not "common" but I would NEVER risk it...better safe than sorry.

    If I had a goat with CL (heaven forbid) it'd be taking a one way trip...



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