Re: stallion Mapleside Mr. Magic..any info would be helpful!
Hey all, just wanted to learn more about this guy.
My friend bred her TB mare to him hoping for a large fancy hunter pony and the 2 year old result is currently sticking at 15'2 1/2" (oops). I'm actually interested in the filly as a project for next year, but I need more height. Friend swears she will grow another 2 inches (how that is ascertainable is beyond me). My comeback is ponies don't grow much later on (right?) so why would she? But I'm not sure I really know what I'm talking about...I know little about ponies...
Anyway, any thoughts on the stallion, his offspring, temperment, etc.?
Shes an above-average mover--a little short in the neck currently for what I want to see in a hunter. Seems very sensible (her mom is an "in your pocket" mare though too). Looks like she'll need shoes right away in work. Easy keeper.
Really everything looks good, but the height. She is a tad cow-hocked too, if I needed to pick something apart I guess (but this is not an ubber-expensive horse either).
I, too, am suprised she would think she would get a pony from this cross. Crossbreds are usually a bit of a crapshoot and then add a big horse mare and it is a recipe for a hony at the minimum. However, I do know a person who has lots of experience with his (pony) offspring. She says they are wonderful in temperment and movement. You can see lots of videos on youtube of his offspring under maplesidefarm and see for yourself how they move. There is also a video of him there. He is a nice mover.
PS-I think she is a long way from being done growing at that age. Most of my TB's grow until they are 5-6 years old and then the pony side has Magical in it.
Last edited by Summerwood; Aug. 3, 2010 at 04:48 PM.
I've seen Mr. Magic in person and trust me, as nice as his videos are, they do not really show what a great mover this pony is! He's enough to make you cry. Seriously.
Yes, you can get ponies from Magical (maternal grandsire of Mr. Magic) but bred to small ponies (Section A's and small B's) w/o horse blood. We have a Welsh/Tb cross who is an easy measure large (14.1-ish) and as tempting as it would be to breed to Mr. Magic we won't do it because there is far too much "horse" in there. There are GRPs I like too but won't do it because of the horse genetics. When we breed her she will go to a pure Welsh, preferably Section A.
Despite the old horsemen tales, all equids grow about at the same rate. I'd expect an inch maybe, no more than that on this young horse. Best guess is a bit under 16 hands. Actually if it moves and jumps it could be a good small junior prospect.
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I think most pony breeders here will tell you with a purebred, you will see slowing of growth at about 2 yrs, then you may get another little bit but not much. I am newer to pony breeding but it seems to me most growth is done by 2. My point was that with a crossbred, that can change, and especially in this case, where the resulting foal is not a pony but a horse (well over 50%), I would think you should apply the rules of horse growth rather than a pony's. JMO, but it would be good for you if that is the case !
You can definately get a pony from M Mr Magic, his breeder bred several of them, which you can see on their website.
I have a stunning moving filly by him, yearling, out of a 13'1h mare supposed to be welsh/tbx. I was told at the time I bred to him, that he was 13'3 so I took a chance. Found out later, he is actually bigger than that.
Said filly is almost as big as mum now, hope she slows down soon, or she will miss the measure, and become yet another gorgeous, bad-sized large. Oh well, that will be one less broodmare I have to buy:-)
I agree with Summerwood - purebred Welsh tend to get most of their growth by the END of their 2 yr old year and will sometimes grow another inch at the most during their three year old year. Crossbreds, especially those with 50% or more horse blood, will continue to grow until about 5 or so. That is why permanent measurement cards are not granted until a pony has reached 6 yrs of age.
Boy Melinda, I wish what you said about growth later would be true in all cases. When I have a large by my Blue Who that is standing at 14.1 at 3 yrs old I am thrilled as are the trainers who purchase them. If I have a large coming into their 3 yr old year that is only 13.3 or so I am truly worried, as I know they will not grow to the desired 14.2 or even a bit under.
Although I have "cross-bred" ponies I know that smalls finish almost all of their growth as late 2 year olds and mediums better be about 13 hands at the same stage (or a tad bigger), or again I am scared.
Having done this breeding thing for 25 years now I do not find much difference in my purebred mares bred to purebred stallions or same mare bred to one of my crossbred stallions. Wish I could say it was much different, but........... could, perhaps, the mare be making a lot of the difference? hmmmm
OH and BTW, I LOVE Mapleside Mr. Magic!!!!!!
Last edited by Sugarbrook; Aug. 3, 2010 at 11:44 PM.
Sandy, I agree with you... not at all in disagreement. I am pretty sure most of your smalls are less than 50% horse and more than 50% pony. I too think a large at 3 should be at least 14hh to 14.1. I have a Welsh/TB mare I bought at 3 - she measured 14hh exactly - now at 6 she is 14.2 exactly. You will find VERY few purebred Welsh that will grow 2 full inches after they turn 3 - that is my point... not that all crossbreds will keep growing. I guess I didnt explain my thoughts clearly. My point was just that purebreds tend to stop growing a bit sooner than crossbreds in general and more specifically the ones that have at least 50% horse breeding. And that is certainly not a detriment - I love my crossbreds as much as the purebreds...just a difference in growth that I have noticed.
MAPLE SIDE MR MAGIC or any horses or ponies affiliated with Maple Side Farm are NOT associated with Silver Lining Horse Farm in any way. The correct link is: http://www.maplesidefarm.com/mr_magic_page.htm Maple Side Farm appreciates all the wonderful comments you have written about Mr. Magic.
OK, I'm totally lost now. Both the Maple Side and Silver Lining Farms have links to Mr. Magic...and Silver Lining has downloadable stallion contracts and stud fees listed. WHO exactly is standing the stallion?
MAPLE SIDE MR. MAGIC, Has always been owned by MAPLE SIDE FARM, has always stood for stallion services at Maple Side Farm.
The link that you can find of him @ SILVER LINING FARM should not be there, it is there by mistake, and will be removed ASAP. WE ARE VERY SORRY FOR ANY CONFUSION THIS HAS CAUSED
Due to Carol Lush's untimely passing, Maple Side Mr. Magic has become available to me, and upon completion of his sale will be standing at my farm. Once I am at liberty to make the announcement, I will make sure that COTH readers know his new status. Thank you for the inquiry and the enthusiastic support of this magnificent stallion.
I have a 15 hand Hony by Mapleside Mr. Magic who is an amazing mover, jumper and just the sweetest horse ever. Truly bombproof and easy, easy, easy. I know a ton of his offspring and they are all very, very good movers and super kind. I wouldn't hesitate to own a bunch more of them. Mine was the result of a crossbred 13.2 hand mare and Mr. Magic, a 14 hand stallion. Horse genes kicked in and he went over. I bought him as a just turned 4 year old and he was completely done growing at that point.
Here are a few pictures of him from when he did the Young Hunters at Devon.
I am the present caretaker for Mapleside Mr Magic, who is standing at Mapleside Farm. He is an energetic but well behaved boy, as long as he trusts you. When he trots, he just floats. Jumps just for the fun of it.
I am just the hired help, so I may not have been informed of any pending sale, but as far as I know he will be at Mapleside for a while.
All his offspring that are at the farm are beautiful movers, friendly, and good tempered. He has a particularly gorgeous daughter named Sugarplum who will blow your socks off.
Stallions are from Mars.
Mares are from Venus.
Ponies are from Hell!