Are you the one handling her? Have you done that before?
If not, I would have someone record you trotting her on the triangle. I thought I was booking it, but my mare looked like she was doing a WP jog.
Honestly, I'm pretty much pulling my mare out of the field for inspection, and hoping it is a sound day (old injury), and hoping I'M sound (knee issue)! So I'm really not the person to talk
I mean, of course I'm going to bathe and clip her and pull her mane...may or may not get her braided though--it looks like I'm going to be doing it all alone. Ideally I'd have help with the foal, someone to razz them up a bit with a whip in the ring, and someone to video tape and someone to snap some pictures!
Shoot, honestly, I'd rather not handle them in the ring period and hire someone if I could.
So I guess practice your walk and trot in-hand, standing her up, and bring lots of friends!
Have your mare well behaved with a braided or neatly pulled mane. In a bridle if she is good with that. You will be asked to walk her in hand, and trot, but most likely you will turn her loose so she will be able to really show her gaits. Practice turning her loose, make some noise to "puff her up" then teach her to let you catch her again .
The RPSI folks are very pleasant people. They will do all they can to help your mare do her best. Their inspections are fun. Nothing uppity or intimidating.
My mare is a former show hunter, retired to pleasure riding only after arthritis slowed/ended her jumping career. So, I keep her mane pulled and she is accustomed to being bridled, braided, etc.
I'm 5'6" so there is NO WAY I could keep up with her trot... Its good to know that they will let me turn her loose. It would seriously be laughable.
She will not be showing with a foal at side, I want to get her registered RSPI for future babies. Question - she has a yearling filly (2009) - any point in having her inspected as well? She is registered APHA (mare is a TB, sire was an APHA Paint). It looks like RSPI will look at quarter horses, paints and draft crosses if they meet thier standards.
You won't be able to get foal papers on your yearling...I'm pretty sure the APHA stallion is not listed with them (they will LIST...not APPROVE stallions that are not of sufficient pedigree...but I dont' think they have any APHA though). Also, she is registered APHA and duplicate papers are pretty much a no-no. That yearling, when grown, could be presented for a Mare Book Inspection and could be entered into the Pre-Mare Book....I think the min age for that is 3. The difference is that you have them presented as foals for their foal registration papers. When they are older you have them APPROVED for breeding. This is not their registry (that for your mare would be TB)...it would be an approval. Mares can be approved with multiple registries (as can stallions) but their own registry (or breed) will be what shows on their foal papers. So your APHA filly could later be an APHA filly that is "approved" into the premarebook of RPSI. Make sense?
And second what NoDQhere said...For RPSI you won't need to run your mare in hand so you should be good (I can't keep up with mine either, lol)...just chase them around and, yes, bags on the whips to get them to move out is fine. The RPSI folks are super nice to work with and I personally love showing them loose. I think you get a much better idea of their real movement without a person attached to their head. Also, give your mare bute if you think it will help her to feel better and move out....sometimes that can help an older mare show their stuff.
Oh, and Crestline - I absolutely LOVE Palladio. He is one of my "Top Five" to breed my mare back to in a year or two, if I decide to. I've also recommended him to a few friends looking for a colored stallion with good H/J type talent.
Ok, so remind me - getting TB mare approved RSPI would result in what future foals papers? I would have to cross her with an also registered/approved RSPI stallion? Just trying to understand!
So bute is okay? I was thinking that, or perhaps a Legend injection if bute was not legal. She's not "lame" but definitely tracks up better with a little 'help'! Haha
The baby by a RPSI stallion would be eligible for RPSI papers. Main studbook papers (assuming the mare is approved). The baby could also go get breed awards then, like in dressage--if you so chose.
That said, and I don't know if this is true for a TB, etc., I am presenting a registered Selle Francais mare who has a foal by an approved/registered Oldenburg GOV stallion, who I don't believe is approved RPSI (although he is lots of other things) and getting (assuming mare and foal are both approved) RPSI papers on the foal. I submitted the bloodlines to the office ahead of time to clarify I would get main studbook papers (again, assuming approval). The outside stallion had to be approved by a German studbook I think...and he did the 100 day test in Germany.
My mare is sometimes openly lame on her right front. It is my biggest worry that we will have a bad day after a big trailer ride. *sigh*
I thought I would have to trot the mare in hand and then turn her loose? Am I wrong (please say yes).
Ok, good. My intention, pending the mare is approved, is to get her approved for future foals registrations. So, she could be crossed with an RSPI stallion and the resulting foal would be elligible for rull registry.
Thanks IrishWillow! So glad you like our boy...you should come by and meet him in person and hop on a few of his kids! You'd be hooked, lol, they are so easy and man oh man do they ever jump!
And yes, approvals aren't a horse show. Many mares are lame, old or both and we like to give them the best shot at looking their best. A little bute for the day or legend...whatever helps them...It's fine...and the older girls get to be comfy to so that is nice also.
TrotTrot-What they have always done at our place is have us lead the mares at the walk and then turn the mare (and the foal if the have one) loose and then their trot and canter are judged at the walk. I love that RPSI judges the canter as the triangle doesn't show that and it is important.
And yes, you're correct, you get them approved so that your foals by RPSI stallions can get RPSI papers. I'm guessing with the GOV mare that it is something well known and approved enough places that they will accept the foal and have you pay an extra fee for the stallion not being with them...just a guess as I've heard of other registries giving permission for essentially "single permit breedings" for stallions not approved with them but that they are OK with accepting a foal from on a one time or case by case basis.
RPSI is my favorite inspection because we get to turn loose...I'm just not very fast to run the triangle!! :-)
I just love Palladio. I would love to come sit on his "kids" .. but I think I'm a little far away?
Hey.. my mare might have an advantage! She's actually not lame in the traditional sense. With injections, she's actually sound for anything, but she gets stiff and a little "creaky" looking without some meds. She's a lovely mover, I would love to get full registration on her! Good to hear that the judges are understanding that the mares may not be 100%. I think it would really add to her value as a broodie if she was approved with one of the WB registeries.. and theres a RPSI one coming up very close to us!
Last edited by IrishWillow; Jul. 30, 2010 at 01:25 PM.
As others have said, you won't have to trot your mare in hand. At RPSI you only walk them in hand and then the mare is turned loose for the trot so all you have to do is encourage them to show their best trot off to the inspectors. The inspectors are very nice people and are used to people who don't know what to do so don't worry about that. You can show the mare yourself, absolutely no need to hire a handler for RPSI in my opinion, as all you have to do is walk in hand and have the mare stand square for her conformation evaluation. If your TB mare is approved in the main book then she will be eligible for a full neck brand if you wish, if she only makes it into the lesser mare books then she will receive a half brand.
It's funny...I didn't know that they neck branded their approved mares...in all the years we've hosted them I've never seen anyone do it...definitely a personal choice from what it sounds. I'm not sure which other registries neck brand their approved mares...keep in mind...that is different than a foal brand. Mare could be any acceptable breed and be eligible for a neck brand. Doesn't Trak neck brand mares too? I know OLDNA still hip brands the foals. Not sure about the others.
Might be stating the obvious here but can't hurt...
RPSI APPROVED stallion x RPSI APPROVED (Main mare book or better) = full pink papers and full brand.
RPSI APPROVED stallion x RPSI APPROVED mare (mare book or pre-mare) = white papers and 1/2 brand
Book II (NOT!! Approved) x RPSI Main mare book or better = white papers and 1/2 brand.
Book II (NOT!! Approved) x RPSI APPROVED mare (mare book or Pre-mare book) = (I think) white papers and 1/2 brand?...but seriously if you're breeding your lower mare book mare to a not approved stallion my opinion is that you might want to evaluate your program a little (JUST MY OPINION!! lol)
The yearling the OP asked about would not be eligible for foal papers as it's sire was not either book 1 or book 11.
I think the deal for stallions approved with other registries is that you have to ask and send paperwork like TTPumpkn did. I think OLDNA does the same thing for frozen from well known horses in Europe? I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that but we had planned to take our Zeus foal to them...Im guessing they just charge and extra fee for the stallion not being active in their registry.
[QUOTE=crestline;5007418]Book II (NOT!! Approved) x RPSI APPROVED mare (mare book or Pre-mare book) = (I think) white papers and 1/2 brand?...but seriously if you're breeding your lower mare book mare to a not approved stallion my opinion is that you might want to evaluate your program a little (JUST MY OPINION!! lol)[QUOTE]
Ahahahhaa... I laughed out loud at this.
My intention is to get my mare approved fully. If she doesnt, she doesnt. But if she DOES, I think it would be very helpful for her future since she does require maintenance as a riding horse (not conformational, pasture injury related). Of course, the intention would be to cross her (pending approval) in the future with a fully approved stallion, resulting in a foal with full papers.
Has anyone seen the neck brand? Opinions on this? I'm inclined not to, honestly. The only reason I would even consider is that she is a solid bay, and for identification purposes were she ever stolen or what have you. Otherwise.. I dont think so.
Also.. the website says you have to send in your paperwork by July 5th! Since I just released the inspection was coming next month, obviously I've missed the dead line. Is it too late? Do they accept late entries at all???