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  1. #1
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    Default Welsh/Warmblood Crosses

    I have seen a few of these crosses in the large pony ring and quite like them.

    Has anyone attempted to breed them taller? As a vertically challenged hunter rider I would be very interested in finding this type as my next horse.



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    How tall are you wanting?
    Windswept Stables-Specializing in Ponies
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    Pony Hunter Breeding - Empires Power

    www.EmpiresPower.com



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    Stay tuned. I am sure that there are a few of these crosses that have gone oversize. But, boy do I love them. I have two out of a Warmblood mare by Donnerhall.

    I wish I could have more breedings for my Blue Who to the warmbloods as this is an excellent cross!!
    Sandy
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    Default Welsh/Warmblood Crosses

    Windswept - ideally I'd like 15:2 - but if they had the step could look smaller - I'm 5'1".

    Sandy - at what point do you know if they will go over? Can you tell as early as 2 or 3?



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    If I had a good WB mare I would certainly be breeding that cross, just lovely!
    Oakwood Farm
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    I also like the cross but as long as you're breeding for a horse I think you're safe. Too many of the ponies bred are wrong sized.
    Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse



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    Perhaps consider breeding a WB mare to a larger welsh stallion, like a section B. Most likely a 16+ hand mare bred to such a pony would give you waht you are looking for. By using the WB as the mare component you stand a better chance of size as womb allows the fola to develop larger than if the mare were the welsh half.



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    Quote Originally Posted by shawneeAcres
    Perhaps consider breeding a WB mare to a larger welsh stallion, like a section B.
    I agree. Crossgates Larasan is a Section B and 14 hands! Perfect!

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    What I neat idea, I'd never though of a Welsh/WB Cross- I wish I had one when I was a kid transitioning form ponies to horses.
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    I would think that Whispered Wish would have something to say here about her lovely German Riding Ponies.
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    Whispered Wish has some GORGEOUS ones. It's a very nice cross.

    I've had quite a few clients breed WB mares to our Welsh stallion. The crosses have been wonderful!

    You can see some of them on our foal page (which I desperately need to update) at http://www.welshponies.com/mardifoals.htm
    Family Partners Welsh Ponies - Home of Section B Welsh stallion *Wedderlie Mardi Gras LOM/AOE http://www.welshponies.com
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    This is our Oldenburg/Welsh colt:
    http://www.goldenventurefarm.com/1GVFStCloud.htm
    He can MOVE!!! We were so impressed, we immediately repeated the cross for 2011.



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    Our two year old cross is so breathtaking that I want to hide her when company comes!! Talk about stealing the show.
    Sandy
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    Empire's Power can be used to downsize also.
    He has 69% welsh blood. Just so one realizes that a pony will not be the result when crossed with a warmblood.

    There are several TB mares that had lovely lovely foals by Power this year.

    And last year - a 17 hand sweedish warmblood had a beautiful filly by Power.

    This is NOT a sales ad--but she is listed on my webspage under client owned Power offspring for sale. Her name is Ankura.
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    Here is a Nevada 4 year old out of a small, Welsh mare. He was 14.3 as a 3 year old. Not sure of his mature height.
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    Hopefully WhisperWish doesn't mind but these two foals are out of my mare. Nootka is a German Warmblood about 15.3h and they are by Mardi Gras. I am sure she will chime in a tell you more

    Her '09 Weser-em Movado
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    I've contemplated breeding my Trakehner mare to a Welsh, so I think it's a lovely idea. She's only 15hh, though, and her daughters so far have been about her size, so I might actually stand a chance at getting a pony out of her.

    Don't think I'll actually breed her again, though. Having too much fun riding her, and I'm keeping her 2007 daughter, so the barn is full!



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    Actually the German Riding ponies evolved from crossing the smaller WB mares with Welsh and Anglo/Arabs. If you look at the pedigrees of many top GRP's you will see some Welsh several generations back.

    We've bred a small WB mare to Welsh and the results were very good. We also bred her to 2 different GRP's - these all went "hony" size but are super under saddle and doing very well with their owners in competition.
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    Default Welsh Warmblood crosses

    Friends of mine in Germany stand the Welsh B stallion Greylight http://www.ponyzucht-sietland.de/Greylight.htm who was bred to a Hanoverian mare by Matcho AA - Eichendorf last year. Here's a picture of the foal http://www.ponyzucht-sietland.de/ima...yPoppins_3.jpg Isn't she a cutie ??
    For more pics of the filly please go to http://www.ponyzucht-sietland.de/Greylightfohlen.htm (scroll down to "Mary Poppins") The owners have been so taken with the foal that the mare has been rebred to Greylight ;-)
    Enjoy!
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    We are doing the WB X Welsh cross for a 2011 foal. There was a large pony that showed here on the Ontario circuit last year that I absolutely loved! When I had the opportunity to purchase a smaller Cdn WB (Dutch WB X Trak) I jumped on it.
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/maeve
    She was bred to Llanarth Senator, but I don't think she caught. We are going to re-breed her to our Morton's Harkin if she didn't catch to Senator.
    I also have two other mares that will be joining in the WB X Welsh cross in a few years. The first is our imported Oldenburg WB mare who is still currently showing. She is by Corradino out of Wachtel by Wenzel I
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/century10

    The second mare named Katonah B is leased out for breeding. She has a very interesting pedigree. She is by the gorgeous Aristos B (DWB) out of BRP mare named Sandy by Kooihuster Folkert (Downland Folklore X Atje)
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/katonah+b
    She has already produced two fabulous foals. One was by Castle Cove
    http://www.elitehuntersales.com/CastleBay.html
    and the other by Halcyon Sir Lancelot named Country Grammar http://crewridge.atspace.com/horses.htm.

    All three of these mares will be bred to Mortons Harkin for fabulous large pony hunters! I can not wait.
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