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    Default Increasing protein (lysine) in really low CP hay

    I'm trying to help someone figure out how to do this.

    The horse needs to lose a bit of weight, and certainly doesn't need to gain, so adding significant amounts of alfalfa is out.

    Her hay tests at 6% CP and .23% lysine. At even 30lb a day, that's 313gm lysine - less than half what she needs

    Is she doomed to feeding buckets of straight lysine every day?

    Is the best option to find new hay?
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    Can you not just add tri-amino to a handful of alfalfa pellets? Add a tiny amount of oil just to get the powder to stick to the pellets.

    Or cut some of the hay back and add some alfalfa.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampton Bay View Post
    Can you not just add tri-amino to a handful of alfalfa pellets? Add a tiny amount of oil just to get the powder to stick to the pellets.

    Or cut some of the hay back and add some alfalfa.
    TriAmino would only add 10gm of Lysine, a very small dent in 313 (which would only bring her up to half what she needs, if I read JB's post correctly).



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    Yep. that's my point indeed - the hay is SO low that even if the horse will eat 30lb of hay, she still needs almost 400 *grams* of protein. That's 40 scoops of TriAmino!
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    I like fenugreek as a lysine source but I can't remember what % of lysine. I think it's roughly 30% protien and about 30% fiber. It is bitter, but it smells like maple (it's used to make the imitation maple syrup) and my horses seem to like it, even the picky ones. It's also high in fiber and has been shown to increase insulin sensitivity. I always got mine from herbalcom.com, well under $4 a lb.



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    Unfortunately, it would take almost 3lb of fenugreek to provide 400gm lysine, if it's 30%- probably not safe, certainly not cheap!

    I think it really is coming down to needing new hay. Hopefully she can doe that.
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    She needs new hay. What is the RFV of what she's got now? Is it fescue?
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    Where did you come up with the figure you are using for the lysine requirement?
    And what is the figure?
    You say 313 grams is less than half of what the animal needs.
    So you're talking around 700 grams?
    Seems excessive to me.
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    With the horse being obsese I would also address the sugar content in the hay......while 6% is low for protien it is not off the charts low.....8% is standard for most mature horses, even those in light exercise.........so I guess I wouldn't worry to much about protien levels depending on how idle he is............I personally be mores concerned about the sugar content with an obsese horse.

    In Canada we can buy a ration balancer that brings up the protien level and give all the minerals needed that is reasonably low in calories and feeding 2lbs a day is usually enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghazzu View Post
    Where did you come up with the figure you are using for the lysine requirement?
    And what is the figure?
    You say 313 grams is less than half of what the animal needs.
    So you're talking around 700 grams?
    Seems excessive to me.
    Yes, this has been confusing me also. I thought it was something like 30 grams per day for the average horse?



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    Oh carp.... I have totally mixed my lysine and CP number, I'm SO sorry!!!

    Yes, the hay is 6% CP, which gives much too little, less than half, of the 700gm required (according to the new NRC) of total protein for an 1100lb horse in moderate work.

    But you're right, of that, only about 32gm is lysine.

    Dayum. I do not know where my mind was on this...
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    Toss the beast a little Calf Manna, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    Oh carp.... I have totally mixed my lysine and CP number, I'm SO sorry!!!

    Yes, the hay is 6% CP, which gives much too little, less than half, of the 700gm required (according to the new NRC) of total protein for an 1100lb horse in moderate work.

    But you're right, of that, only about 32gm is lysine.

    Dayum. I do not know where my mind was on this...
    6% is 60g per kilo (2.2 pounds) soooo....22 pounds = 600gm. So 25.6 pounds gives 700g.

    lysine will be 28 g in this same poundage.

    Progressive nutrition makes a high protein (55%) supplement called Pro-Add. Triple Crown makes a high protein supplement as well.
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    Stacie, yeah, thanks, once I realized how BIG my brain fart was in my calculations, I know exactly what to tell her
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