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    Quote Originally Posted by Acertainsmile View Post
    What will be intersting is who else get's thrown under the bus, and run over. I'm sure with charges like these there will be massive deal making.
    If after 4-5yrs of investigating, this is all they have come up with ... Its likely you're right --- looking for the bigger catch.
    Still, with recent Gill/DD/Adamo (wasnt that snake venom?) infractions and nothing more than a commissions slap on the wrist ...
    ...todays actions certainly seem odd.
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    Here's the local paper's article about this, and the pennlive site also has links to other articles and link to Penn National management's statement: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...1_track_e.html



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    Does anybody know if Sam Webb is any relation or connection to the late Lucy Webb?



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    Taken from the HBPA statement at Penn...

    "The rules also "essentially prohibit" others from even entering a horse's stall on a race day, the statement claims.

    "In fact, it was these security protocols that led to security personnel catching two of the indicted individuals in horse stalls on race day," according to the statement."


    Dumbest statement ever, grooms and trainers would be allowed in horses stalls. Who is going to put the bridle and bandages on?



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    You might not know this but I started out at Penn National. I trained there for over 10 years and know all these people involved. I still say there is more to the story. Why defrauding the public? Technically you could charge any trainer that ever had a bad test with that so why them? I am guessing they are the low hanging fruit as they are making their cases against the real targets. Throw big charges out there and see who rats out who sort of thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    He is her brother.
    In that case, I'm not in the least surprised he's involved in this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    The FBI has a hard on for those people apparently. People get caught every day trying to inject horses at race tracks and they get days not arrested by the FBI. There has to be more to this story.
    I agree. I actually read the indictments and my thought was "Are you kidding me?" I guess there is no requirement to identify what was purportedly injected. Just having the needle and not being a vet gets you a perp walk and potentially 20 years in the Federal pen.

    Wow. At least with Fat Tony Ciulla et al, the feds could show in the indictment phase a conspiracy, an enterprise, and tens of millions of dollars purportedly won through race fixing. This is just weird.



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    Trish injected 2ccs of lasix two hours out. Not sure what the other two were caught with.



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    This is the HPBA lawyer who gets paid to defend horseman who gets a bad test among other things. Not sure if their budget can cover a federal trial for so many people though. I am not a David Wells fan by any stretch of the imagination but I agree with the lawyer, this is not a crime. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/na...460ec641c.html



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    The entertainment value of this is priceless.
    I love it!!!!!
    Now- Question is where are Donnie Brown, oops I mean "Only one with a Brain" and his ilk? Might they still be scoffing about the investigation?

    Some of the folks taken away in cuffs were on this thread. It's been a long time coming but stay tuned. They're just getting started folks. LMAO!!!!!!!
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    I just can't wait to hear who they ultimate target is. It's somebody big. I am thinking the governor.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    This is the HPBA lawyer who gets paid to defend horseman who gets a bad test among other things. Not sure if their budget can cover a federal trial for so many people though. I am not a David Wells fan by any stretch of the imagination but I agree with the lawyer, this is not a crime. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/na...460ec641c.html
    The article makes a lot of sense - regardless of what people think of those cheatin" trainers, this is a states rights issue. There is no Federal oversight of racing *as opposed to Interstate Gambling) right now. That is what the hearing is about (and don't tell me that timing wasn't deliberate). So that's why they conflated a couple of ccs overage of Lasix in a syringe into a race fixing scheme.

    Yes that was illegal under the Pennsylvania regulations. Yes the Pennsylvania commission should punish her. Yes it was an incredibly stupid thing to do. But seriously, doesn't the FBU and the US Attorney have other things to occupy their time?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    I just can't wait to hear who they ultimate target is. It's somebody big. I am thinking the governor.
    Don't get my hopes up.
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    They are making it seem like there are going to be four defendants and one trial. They are all charged with the same thing but don't see how they can lump their trials altogether. You don't try all drunk drivers in the same trial.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    Does anybody know if Sam Webb is any relation or connection to the late Lucy Webb?
    Wait, so there's a LATE Lucy Webb and a LIVE Lucy Webb?



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    Quote Originally Posted by alspharmd View Post
    Wait, so there's a LATE Lucy Webb and a LIVE Lucy Webb?
    No. The Lucy you are thinking of did Not marry Sam.... she has her own last name....... people just made assumptions, and for many it was an easier way to identify her
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightskyfarm View Post
    No. The Lucy you are thinking of did Not marry Sam.... she has her own last name....... people just made assumptions, and for many it was an easier way to identify her
    Ok. I just want to make sure Lucy H is not the Lucy that was mentioned above.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pronzini View Post
    The article makes a lot of sense - regardless of what people think of those cheatin" trainers, this is a states rights issue. There is no Federal oversight of racing *as opposed to Interstate Gambling) right now. That is what the hearing is about (and don't tell me that timing wasn't deliberate). So that's why they conflated a couple of ccs overage of Lasix in a syringe into a race fixing scheme.

    Yes that was illegal under the Pennsylvania regulations. Yes the Pennsylvania commission should punish her. Yes it was an incredibly stupid thing to do. But seriously, doesn't the FBU and the US Attorney have other things to occupy their time?
    Because Penn’s races are simulcast and wagered on in other states under the Interstate Horseracing Act the Feds do have jurisdiction. It is called interstate wire fraud. From what I understand.
    IMO it’s disappointing that you feel “just because of a few” the trainer should be given a pass. . It is against the rules and the LAW. I don’t feel bad for the repercussions the trainers may have thrown at them. And if guilty I hope the penalties are strong. The line is and has been draw for many years and it’s about time the rules and laws are strictly enforced. It the horse needs a few extra Ccs of Lasix above the LEGAL limit so as not to bleed then it should be retired.
    No one is being thrown under the bus here. They stepped in front of it on their own accord.
    I worked on the back side long enough to know the BS that has been going on for years unchecked. I doubt these are the first and last trainer and others that will come under indictment in the next few months. If not I will be very disappointed. Especially if they don’t go after some Vets also.
    Rick Dutrow IMO was thrown under the bus. Yes, he had numerous violations of which the vast majority were innocuous. The few serious violations pale in comparison to being caught in a stall “pre race treating” a horse. Be it “just a few” extra Ccs of Lasix or stuff that doesn’t “test” yet.
    In one of the Sport Horse threads on a link to the Official Rulings a trainer was slapped with a $5,000 fine, 5 months suspension, not allowed on the grounds of shows, etc. The owner of the horse was fined, and had to give back all prize money, trophies, etc. Because the horse tested for Carolina Gold. Which IME is pretty innocuous and wasn’t worth the money and effort on out of competition horse I gave it to as directed by my Vet.
    In the past something like this in racing would have been a $100 fine and go on with your business.
    The image of racing is in the Crapper because of all this nonsense. The public doesn’t know nor care if it was “just a few extra Ccs”. To them a horse is being injected to “hop” it up with drugs. Period.
    If we loose any more of the confidence of the wagering public, the public in general then we already have racing will be extinct in the not to distant future.
    NO more slaps on the wrist. IMO it is about time the Feds stepped in.
    As always to each their own.


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    I think you are missing the point Gumtree. The point is not that they didn't do anything wrong, the point is so did hundreds of other people who got caught doing the exact same thing and weren't charged with the above.



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