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    Quote Originally Posted by Glimmerglass View Post
    Maybe Ray simply put a hold on the debate until further news is released for tomorrow's "edition". Obviously with the TB Times, DRF, BloodHorse and some regional paper's picking up on this it is a story with momentum and interest.
    I guess I was correct: Paulick 1-26-10 "Gill: 'What have I done that's so wrong?'"

    [Ray] contacted him Monday at his Mortgage Specialists office in New Hampshire. Needless to say, he wasn’t happy with the actions of the jockeys or with the unwelcome publicity, and in a 30-minute, emotional interview touched on a wide range of subjects. Among the revelations from the 54-year-old Gill were:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Glimmerglass View Post
    There are so many things that are wrong with what Gill said it's hard to know where to start.

    But I do have a question based on this quote:
    tired of suing racetracks—and winning, by the way, every effing time.”
    Did he, or didn't he, win against DE? His horses aren't running there, so... ?

    And he compares himself to a $5000 claimer with bad knees and a sore neck... yet he says none of his horses are sore?!

    Oh, and all of his horses have gone into retirement programs?? Really?? Could've fooled me!

    GAH!!!
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    Congrats to everyone who got Penn to do something, however temporary. It's a beginning, and could be a good one. Lawsuit threats get thrown around all the time: one would hope that Penn's and PA Gaming's lawyers would take one look and say "Better to stand up to it then settle". Because caving in opens a whole 'nother can of worms.

    So from what source can the media get more accurate statistics on breakdowns than what is feared Penn will come up with? Can/ will several other trainers who can be listed as "Trainer A, Trainer B and Trainer C" provide full disclosure anonymously? And then compare Gill's numbers to those?

    Just a thought watching this unfold.
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    At Philadelphia Park, they have for years booted people off the grounds and used the justification that it is "private property" to do so. I'm wondering why Penn doesn't just kick Gill's butt to the curb and use the same reasoning.



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    As pointed out by another the response given by Gill are so wild, diverse and even contradictory it's almost astounding.

    Case in point - his own words per Ray:

    Gill denies “running sore horses,” and said he didn’t have a single bad test in 2009.
    “I love the competition. I love the animal. I am a competitor. I am that $5,000 broke down racehorse. I’m a raw competitor with bad knees and sore neck. What better place to compete than in horse racing, and I don’t even gamble on these horses.”
    Well which is it? You don't race horses that are sore or you just love it when sore horses run? The latter of which is so bizarre of a statement to make that I wonder if he grasps how stupid if not repulsive it sounds.



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    As I see it, the biggest problem with Gill is that to him, this is truly just a business. He appears to have no emotion involved, the horse is just a means to an end. In every interview I have read thus far, he makes that clear. What true horseman do you know that would refer to their horses as just "cheap claiming horses" - as if that somehow diminishes the value of their life and the cruel end that they meet in his "care". It's true that not every owner/trainer involved in this sport has a love for the horse - there are more than a few, I'm sure, for whom it's just a business. However, these people operate on a much smaller scale than Gill and therefore avoid the spotlight.

    I know it may be very tricky legally to stop this kind of behavior, but if someone doesn't, it will hasten the extinction of this sport.



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    I've been following this thread with genuine interest. Haven't had any facts to contribute.

    Like the rest of you, I loathe Michael Gill and how he operates. Is he not aware of the 15 horses listed in the first post that broke down? Obviously not or he wouldn't claim his breakdown rate is no worse than that of anyone else.

    It's clear that everything he says is delusional. Or designed to show he's innocent of any wrong doing. Sounds like SOP for sleazy mortgage financers. Someone posted he was a lawyer. Is that correct? He certainly has taken the wrong side of the laws by twisting facts & trying to carefully construct his statements. Big problem with that is that horsemen know the truth. Since he's no horseman, just a user of animals he considers commodities, he just doesn't get it.



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    There is no test for Cobra Venom.

    A couple of months ago an Aussie outfit claimed to have developed a testing kit, but I doubt it's widely available in the US, or if it's even approved.

    Is there a test for sea-snail venom?



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    I am unfamiliar with shockwave therapy. I thought it was just used by vets to treat injured areas. I was not aware that people were abusing it for it's anesthetia-like effects. An old timer just told me he thinks the effects can last for either hours or days. Is this true?

    After googling it, it appears the devices used to apply shockwave therapy to horses are now hand held devices. So, when Gill says no one would find those in his barns, I'm guessing that could be because he can simply stick it in his pocket when he leaves.
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    How does Gill make his money? Kicking puppies and running sweat shops?

    What a pleasant person he is.

    Aside from PR lip service, he'd have to run his operation like a human being and start treating his charges as living creatures.
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    Personally, I think the moderate use of shock collars in training humans should be allowed.



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    I truly hope the jocks stick to their guns.......



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    Dick, please keep us posted as soon as you find out anything about that meeting.



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    I, too, hope the jocks stick to their guns. The fact that they took the stance they did on Saturday strongly indicates to ME that they know what's going on with Gill's horses. Jockeys have one of the most dangerous jobs in the world, and they know it. As soon as they hit their mount's back in the paddock they are in peril until they are safely standing on the scales 10 minutes or so later. Anything can happen any step of the way: flipping in the paddock, rank in the post parade, acting up in the gate, stumbling at the break, bolting on the turn, etc., etc. Jockeys take those risks because they've already reconciled the cost/benefit equation, knowing full well that, eventually, they will be hurt.

    So, for jockeys to refuse to ride races with Gill entries speaks volumes about their legitimate concern that their cost/benefit equation is skewed and there is an unacceptable level of risk. Jockeys also know a lot about the goings-on backside and the people who work there. 'Nuff said.

    I'm wondering if anyone has ever challenged Mr. Gill to explain what his training methods are that are so superior that he can win races at such a clip? After all, he hasn't been hiring remarkably talented trainers, just people who will do things Michael's way...whatever that is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by foundationmare View Post
    I'm wondering if anyone has ever challenged Mr. Gill to explain what his training methods are that are so superior that he can win races at such a clip? After all, he hasn't been hiring remarkably talented trainers, just people who will do things Michael's way...whatever that is.
    Clearly it's because he is treating all his horses for EPM and doing throat surgeries since one of them can breathe because of the EPM... just read the Paulick Report ( )


    I'm waiting on tenterhooks to hear how the meeting with the jocks went....
    -Jessica



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    Somebody posted on the Paulick Report that she has the name of the person buying and hauling Gill's horses to slaughter in Canada. And also, Gill apparently has a 2nd farm near Elk Creek where he keeps the cripples, near State and Barren Roads in Oxford, Pa.

    Very disturbing information.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Hound View Post
    Somebody posted on the Paulick Report that she has the name of the person buying and hauling Gill's horses to slaughter in Canada. And also, Gill apparently has a 2nd farm near Elk Creek where he keeps the cripples, near State and Barren Roads in Oxford, Pa.

    Very disturbing information.

    That I hope will be investigated ASAP. That would really put the nails in his coffin, wouldn't it???
    -Jessica



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    I know, I know, I was supposed to go back under my rock.... I cannot BELIEVE some of the crap he's saying. I imagine if he were to analyze his statements from a legal perspective, he would advise himself to shut the fork up. From Paulick alone....

    -He's been in this business since 1979 and 'can't get a fair shake'. He has an eclipse award! What does he want, a litter and seven virgins feeding him grapes?
    -80% of horses have EPM. .... Right. And a myectomy is the answer when they have EPM. 25% of the human population has a diagnosable mental illness, so let's give most people a lobotomy. I nominate Gill to go first.
    -He's given 20 horses away in the last thirty days. Anyone in that area of PA want to make some local inquiries to locate any of those horses? At that rate, the PA countryside should just be littered with Gill rejects in 'good homes'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Hound View Post
    Somebody posted on the Paulick Report that she has the name of the person buying and hauling Gill's horses to slaughter in Canada. And also, Gill apparently has a 2nd farm near Elk Creek where he keeps the cripples, near State and Barren Roads in Oxford, Pa.

    Very disturbing information.
    That's the sort of information that might actually make a difference.
    bar.ka think u al.l. susp.ect
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    And I'm sure the necropsies are going to inconclusive.
    He only had Laughing Moon for two of his 37 starts. So I'm sure what ever they find could be blamed on the previous 7 ad a half years of the horse's life.

    I just hope the jockeys stick to their guns.
    -Jessica



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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Hound View Post
    Somebody posted on the Paulick Report that she has the name of the person buying and hauling Gill's horses to slaughter in Canada. And also, Gill apparently has a 2nd farm near Elk Creek where he keeps the cripples, near State and Barren Roads in Oxford, Pa.

    Very disturbing information.
    He actually KEEPS them?? I thought he sold them to slaughter. Or did I misread your post?



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