[SunshineGA]

Yep! Must be an Unbridled thing! So what have we learned? BE careful about Unbridled lines (which is probably why we don't see any on the hunter circuit)

I've also heard the Prospector babies have lameness issues, anyone experience this? The one gelding had ankle problems (and some brain problems... lazy as all get out and wouldnt jump at all) and the other gelding had a fractured shoulder when I got him to begin with so ended up with problems anyway.

Sir Ivor progeny are great!

"When life gives you lemons, make margaritas!"

[War Admiral]

avery is by true level, an unraced son of tom rolfe, and out of an unraced granddaughter of bernborough. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

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[LMH]

OK help me out here...using a pedigree site...how would I find say...youngsters with Sir Ivor bloddlines?

[inmotion]

Go to the Del Mar pedigree site and scroll to the bottom of the page....there will be a get 5 gen pedigree free thing. Type in Sir Ivor, or who ever you want. When the page comes up the first thingy at the top of the page..I think it's managemnet or somethingy...when you click on go to progeny..they also have pictures you can go to. Can you tell I'm a true computer idiot? Mary

[Cherry]

A friend of mine had a grey gelding that was out of a Full Pocket mare; he had come straight off the race track at ten with clean legs... He was such a handsome guy--I would like to have bought him from her but didn't have the money when she was ready to sell him... She never did anything with him but I believe he could have been an awesome hunter... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/yes.gif

Hunt_jump, looking at your old horse's pedigree--he has Native Dancer in the maternal line who was known to sire a lot of sport horses... I see Helioscope who was by Heliopsis which shows up in a lot of hunter/jumper pedigrees and My Babu who was the grandsire of Bruce Davidson's great J.J. Babu (My Babu goes back to Tourbillon and I think that's actually where the horses get their talent)... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif Lastly you have Princequillo who is known to have sired a lot of sport horses as well...

Djebel, who is in your horse's pedigree on his sire's side, also goes back to Tourbillon... Also present is the influence of Man O'War through Full Pocket... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

"Everything looks good until you start to examine it!!!", uttered by me on more than one occasion

[lame joe]

We had a Sir Ivor son in the barn for a while - Laura Chapot had ridden him in the jumpers. His name (cleverly enough) was Iverson. Grey horse - really great jumper.

My one newby, Mydogdreamer is a Pleasant Colony grandkid. The other, Expound has Forty Niner on top and Excellor on the bottom. The first is a hunter type and the second is very jumper-y looking/moving.

[Juno]

My mare's by Deerhound (Danzig x Lassie Dear by Buckpasser) out of a Wolfpower (S.African stallion) mare. She has Buckpasser twice, once on top and once on bottom. In fact, she has only 7 instead of the usual 8 great-grandparents http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif Might explain why she's a little fruity!

What the HECK happened to global warming?!

[LMH]

OK I get the progeny part-but for Sir Ivor, for example, his 1st generation offspring are much older-so would I have to click on EACH one to find the grandkids, great gandkids etc http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif

Now that would be a job.

[inmotion]

I remember Iverson Liz! Wow.....little Ravey is linked to that great horse...this thread is way cooler than I thought it would be! Maybe that's why he likes to jump so much. We've got him up to 3'9 at home and that hasn't backed him off. Not that he needs to back off, we just keep thinkin one day he'll say...What??? You want me to what??? My sweet boy has never refused or run or pulled to or away from a fence. When you ride it feels like..is he gonna do this???? then he just does it and goes to the next....hunter quiet like. No hand...just to set up and guide and leg over the fence. That's how he rides. I quess I'm just used to a horse that pulls alittle. I know I have a working hunter here.

Wow, I'm really tickled! Mary

[lame joe]

He sounds so cool! Iverson was a hot tamale - not quiet like your guy.

[caryledee]

I'll play! I got my first gelding before I knew anything about TB bloodlines. When I started doing research, I found out he was by the stallion Best Turn, who stood at Calumet until his death in 1984. Best Turn was huge--17.2 hands--and although he sired a few decent racehorses, he was never a huge success. It turns out though that most of his offspring can jump the moon though; several went to the grand prix level and several other descendants were successful top hunters. Its too bad more wasn't done to perpetuate this line though; its hard to find a horse with Best Turn in the pedigree.
As far as temperament, my gelding doesn't have a mean bone in his body, but he's not a horse you can make a lot of mistakes on; he's just too sensitive to handle it. He is very careful over jumps and usually overjumped everything by a foot or two. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif
He's now almost 20 yrs old and pretty much retired, but still very sound and healthy.

[Kiwayu]

Here's my horse's Pedigree....Kiwayu

He's got some good names in there.
Nureyev,Northern Dancer, Tell, Nearctic, Native Dancer, Polynesian, Pharos, and the list goes on.

[inmotion]

I've heard of Danzig and Best Turn. It was a while ago, before I really started paying attention to bloodlines.

I've watched Iverson, he was great. Whats he doing now? Aren't all jumpers half nuts? I'm laughing as I wrote that.......it was ment to make you smile.

Mary

[Lord Helpus]

Four out of five of mine are tail male line to Northern Dancer. And all of them have strong grass influences on the bottom. Many also have grass on the top through the female family.

It has been my experience that dirt sprinters will rarely show up in jumping pedigrees, and if they do, just look a generation or two back and you will find heavy doses of grass showing up.

Not coincidentally, many good steeplechase horses are either from straight grass breeding or grass plus Northern Dancer. Of course if you go much farther back than ND, everything is grass... So I am making pretty safe generalizations. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

Both Stevie and George have Darby Creek Road on the bottom and ND on top: George through Dixieland Band, Chimes Band. Stevie is a grandson of Danzig who is almost a 100% grass sire. Bear is ND --> The Minstrel --> Palace Music. And Mikey is ND --> Lines of Power --> Loach

Poor Warren is by the incomparable Wop Wop (but, then again who would WANT to be compared to Wop Wop?) At least his breeding is all grass, also, even though it is hardly the big names you are used to hearing.

For those people who have had Unbridled's -- don't forget he is by Fappiano who was the sire of Don Stewart's wonderful horse Western Prospect.

[SillyFilly]

Haven't read the whole topic - but Simkie, your girls have amazing peds! WOW!

Amy
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[soundfx]

my horse is also out of the native dancer lines...his father was cresting waters and his mom was leader miss..he ran as red leader

"go ahead, dream a little dream" jay privman.

[hunt_jump]

Ok, Lord Helpus, now I'm going to have to go research Fappiano and Western Prospect. Western Prospect is still one of my all time favorite hunters. I was watching him hack around one of the rings in Tampa years ago on his day off he just floats - absolutely amazing.

Tell me more about grass horses. Who do I look for in pedigree for grass vs. dirt? This is all very interesting to me.

Is this the same Western Prospect?

~ hunt_jump ~
http://home.cfl.rr.com/huntjump

[SunshineGA]

my mare has dr. fager in her toohttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif and nasrullah http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif (I just like how Dr. Fager sounds... don't kknow who he is!)

"When life gives you lemons, make margaritas!"

[War Admiral]

caryledee - best turn is by turn-to, who is legendary as an eventing sire. that's where you're getting the height from in all likehood - my turn-to great-grandson (top line)/grandson (tail line) is also 17.2. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

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[Pirateer]

Stewie is by Alissando, and out of a mare named Archer's Susan.

Alissando's BL's

Rebecca and SNL (Stewie)
http://www.bluffparkfarm.com
http://community.webshots.com/user/pirateer