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  1. #1
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    Default FEI Maternity Leave decision moves Meredith Michaels-Beerbaum from 31st to 14th

    Wow how swift this all happened!!!

    Implemented with April Rankings

    http://www.fei.org/disciplines/jumpi...aternity-leave
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    Such crap. Complete and total crap.
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    The FEI continues to boggle my brain.

    So, I just want to clarify how this works? Her last competition was Sept. 2009, she then sat out, and continues to do so. As of March 2010 her ranking had dropped to 31st, but new rule "female riders will now lose only 50% of their Rolex Rankings points during their absence from competition", enacted this month, kicks her up to 14th.

    Is this implying that were she in the ring all that time she would be #1? Isn't that a little, presumptuous?

    What was her ranking in September? Was she #1? (sorry, no clue, have never followed the rankings)
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    So..she had no choice in getting pregnant AND her horse gets to rest until WEG? Hmmmmm.....sounds like we know how that will turn out...save your money on tickets....
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    Vet: Looks like a suspensory tear, and the rest of the show season off.

    Highly Ranked Rider: How about that. Hmmm. Where's hubby? It's baby-making time!!!
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    What kind of rule is this??? Pregers or not if you are not competing then you don't keep your ranking or only loose half of it. FEI whats the next ridiculous rule are you going to pull of your ass next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dags View Post
    Vet: Looks like a suspensory tear, and the rest of the show season off.

    Highly Ranked Rider: How about that. Hmmm. Where's hubby? It's baby-making time!!!
    Hahahaha exactly! It seems the FEI is just full of ridiculous new rules these days.



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    ..and for you ACLU types what about "fathers rights"?? Sounds quite prejudicial to me to exclude men from the maternity/paternity exclusion!!!
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    How unfair is that on the people she has now moved above! What a stupid, stupid idea.



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    Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks that this is [yet another?] absolutely ridiculous rule made by the FEI.



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    "Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
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    This is such bs. When you choose to compete at this level, you also choose to put much of the rest of your life on hold. This is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt of Meredith, and others, to have it both ways, and it is NOT fair to the rest of the competitors.
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    Always a constant source of amusement, to watch the FEI turn itself inside out to promote its favorite riders.

    It's a pity that they didn't see fit to implement this rule when Anky van Grunsven was competing in WC qualifiers while pregnant.
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    Aw, come on guys, this is SO much more fair! I mean, only like, 16 people are getting dropped in ranks because of it. This is equality at its finest!

    Not.



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    I support the rule.

    It has very little bearing on my life as I am single, don't really want to have children ever and also are nowhere near being on the FEI world ranking. LOL! But I still think it's a nice touch.

    As far as I know the rule was first suggested by Jessica Kurten a few years ago. It's in anycase not a new thing in order to move Meredith up in the rankings but has been under review for quite a while.

    Of course every woman has a choice in when (how and with whom) to get pregnant, and a female rider on the a circuit could simply choose not to have babies, similar to any female with a high position in a company could choose not to have babies in order to not get passed by for that promotion.
    The fact that our sport has chosen to not punish a woman who decides to start a family is IMO great.

    As far as fathers rights go, I am not a specialist, so I really don't know. But I believe there's strong evidence supporting the fact that a pregnancy is slightly tougher on the female.
    I think that there might also be some research suggesting that the actual birthing process takes a bit bigger toll on the mother. ;-)

    Yes, it might seem unfair to the riders that will be surpassed in the rankings, specially the one rider who will not get invited to the bigger show as a result of allowing the female to keep half of her ranking points due to her pregnancy leave.
    However it seems widely suggested that a lot of female riders will now become pregnant as of the new rule. They would most certainly not have gotten themselves in this precarious situation before the rule change and thus would most likely still have been ahead in the rankings.

    I've seen some suspensory tears, they are not pretty and it's devastating to any rider on any level to have it happen.
    If a small bundle of joy could in anyway ease the pain of such an unfotunate event, I'm willing to throw that woman a freebie.

    I can see how it would seem unfair that a woman can blow a suspensory (or break a leg herself) and simply decide to have a baby in order to keep her standing on the world ranking.

    Perhaps a rule change that allows for a 1/2 freeze on the ranking points for rider/horse injuries would be a good way to deal with that injustice.

    Either way, I don't think that there will be a huge cry of foul from those who are actually affected by the rule (new nr 15-31 on the ranking).
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    Thumbs down

    Seriously?

    Well, then, the male riders are justified in crying foul at this rule, since their stress level when their wives are pregnant should have a similar bearing on their world cup rankings.

    Great. We now have equestrian socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingQueen View Post
    Yes, it might seem unfair to the riders that will be surpassed in the rankings, specially the one rider who will not get invited to the bigger show as a result of allowing the female to keep half of her ranking points due to her pregnancy leave.
    Key word there being "unfair". If this unfair to the riders that are surpassed, then it is not fair (yes I'm stating the obvious there ) so how can this be a good thing?



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    I just can't get behind a rule like this. If they are trying to be equal, then other posters are correct; paternity leave should be allowed also. Look at government agencies that offer extensive maternity leave - they have also had to extend paternity leave due to equality regulations in government employment.

    It just does not seem right to me. The corporate world is no different. For instance, when I was practicing law in a law firm, I had a clear choice; family or career. I chose family, and I am no longer working at that firm (laid off because I "wasn't a good fit" = because I'm married, young, and might have kids) despite the fact that I was the highest biller in the office several months running.

    Life is what it is. Why should a rule favor maternity leave over injury leave? If a male rider breaks an arm, shouldn't his points be frozen as well? We don't want it to be unfair, now. What about family medical leave? That is under the same rules as maternity leave in the US...

    Such a can of worms. Such a deviation from what a sport is about. Do they do this in diving? Gymnastics? Figure skating? No.



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    It is an insult to women. This rule reflects the belief that we can't compete and be successful on a level playing field.

    Riders of any gender make many personal and professional decisions that impact their ability to compete -- vacation, child bearing, caring for family, horse needs time off, sponsor dificulties, injuries......

    Men evidently are responsible for their own personal decisions and situations. Women, evidently are not.

    Insulting, ridiculous. MMB should be ashamed to take advantage of this new rule.



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    You cannnot be serious Queen! Good God, just when you think you have read the most ridiculous statement , someone comes along and just blows it out of the water.



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