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    Default What age do you truly evaluate your foals at?

    I've heard the old adage of 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, 3 years - is there any truth to this system? What have you found to be accurate? When is it fair to evaluate their movement and conformation? Hoping lots of the successful warmblood breeders will share their experiences...
    Thanks in advance!



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    I'll be watching this thread with interest - I just took delivery of a weanling I picked at three days! (Southern Hemisphere).

    I can post pics fro 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months and now at 5 months too!



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    Each and all of the above but for me the "killer time" is yearling.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas_1 View Post
    Each and all of the above but for me the "killer time" is yearling.
    Yes, that could also be termed the "yackling" phase!

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    There's certainly a lot of truth in the "3-day, 3-months, and 3-year" saying....

    I've also have been told by somebody with lots of experience that if the foal is really special you will know it right away. I'll see if I can find a picture of the one foal that I thought fit that category......

    http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...z/2daysold.jpg
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    Everyday

    Some babies grow very evenly and never have an ugly moment (my first one was like this, she is 6 now, but maybe I am just biased), and others are beautiful one minute, and have a short upside down neck and high rear the next. Some foals are still unfolding at 3 days. Usually between 3-4 months old they look good.



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    Quote Originally Posted by siegi b. View Post
    There's certainly a lot of truth in the "3-day, 3-months, and 3-year" saying....

    I've also have been told by somebody with lots of experience that if the foal is really special you will know it right away. I'll see if I can find a picture of the one foal that I thought fit that category......

    http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...z/2daysold.jpg
    She is definitely a nice one.

    I have one that was born April 1 this year, and that is how I feel about him. He is so perfect I can't stand it. Here are a couple of photos of him. I'm repeating the cross.

    http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...481280x960.jpg

    http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...361280x960.jpg



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    Yup, 3 days, 3 months, 3 years.

    Not only that, but when your weanling, that you picked out at 3 days, turns into an ugly duckling that can't get out of his own way at 1 year, and then gets worse at 2, and seems like he will NEVER grow, and you are tearing your hair out and asking why on earth you ever bought him and how can you now get out of this and dump him on someone else, you start thinking that he can't possibly improve at 3. He's fuzzy, he's butt high, he can't get his front feet off the ground.

    J U S T . . . . . . . . .

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .W A I T

    And, hide him in the back 40 and don't let your friends see him until...........

    All of a sudden he's 3, and he comes back together and absolutely floats across the pasture and you're patting yourself on the back and all your friends are dying of envy.
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    I certainly give credence to the "3" timing rule. And very often I know from days old if a baby is a very special one.
    At yearling age, youngsters are often awkward - especially so the ones who will finish tall (in my experience), who often see-saw in growth --- bum high, short neck, big head, etc. The ones who grow gracefully and never look awkward happen too - and those I find finish more average in size, usually 16-16.2 h.



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    "I've also have been told by somebody with lots of experience that if the foal is really special you will know it right away. I'll see if I can find a picture of the one foal that I thought fit that category......"

    http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...z/2daysold.jpg


    Hey Siegi!
    Which gorgeous foal is this? The Roussea X Wanroij? Florencio? Beautiful!!!

    Fondly,
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    Thanks! Can't wait to get my foal's video footage from yesterday (3 days) then. She's not living anywhere near me, so I only have pictures to go on, and while some make her look superb, others are only okay. Can't wait to see the videos... =)



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    Quote Originally Posted by madoy View Post
    I've heard the old adage of 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, 3 years - is there any truth to this system? What have you found to be accurate? When is it fair to evaluate their movement and conformation? Hoping lots of the successful warmblood breeders will share their experiences...
    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnydays View Post
    I certainly give credence to the "3" timing rule. And very often I know from days old if a baby is a very special one.
    At yearling age, youngsters are often awkward - especially so the ones who will finish tall (in my experience), who often see-saw in growth --- bum high, short neck, big head, etc. The ones who grow gracefully and never look awkward happen too - and those I find finish more average in size, usually 16-16.2 h.
    Well stated. I agree with all points.



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    Post I agree that you can often "tell" when you have a "special"one....very young...

    "I've also have been told by somebody with lots of experience that if the foal is really special you will know it right away."

    I'd have to agree with Sieg's "words of wisdom"...... And here is how it was proven to me......

    When Wildcard SCF Keur Elite (Goodtimes X Silvio 1 Elite (now) Preferent) was born (by ET to a Draft mare at the ET farm where she stayed until weaning), I immediately "just knew" that she was something special.....People would ask me why I thought she was so special, and I honestly couldn't answer that question....I didn't know! She is also my "Heart Horse".....We have had dozens of horses born to our reeding program at SCF, and I "love" them all, yet she is the only one that I have ever said that about.....

    See foal photo with ET Dam, (and then other photos) of Wildcard below...

    Well, since then, Wildcard has been:

    PHSA YEARLING FUTURITY NON TB HUNTER BREEDING CHAMPION, AND OVERALL RESERVE CHAMPION (AMONG OTHER HB WINS)

    BECAME KEUR ELITE WITH THE KWPN

    WAS "BEST MOVER" OF HER ISF KEURNG

    WAS 3RD IN USA TOP TEN FOR BOTH MOVEMENT AND FREE JUMPING

    WAS 3YR OLD USDF KWPN MATERIALE CHAMPION (ALL BREED AWARDS)

    WAS DRESSAGE AT DEVON OVERALL BIT USA HIGH POINT CHAMPION AT 4 YRS OLD (WON HER COMPETETIVE BROODMARE CLASS WHICH INCLUDED "THE QUEEN OF DAD, THE GORGEOUS RABIOLA") WITH AN 85% FROM JUDGE HILDA GURNEY)

    WAS CHAMPION MANY TIMES AT 1ST AND 2ND LEVEL, INCLUDING NUMEROUS HIGH POINT CHAMPIONSHIPS....NOW SCHOOLING THIRD......

    EASILY QUALIFIED FOR REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS 2008 (WAS 5TH) AND 2009

    FYI.....WILDCARD HAD ONE FOAL AT 4 YRS OLD (BY LUPICOR), WHO WAS #1 FOAL, AND THEN #1 AGAIN AS A 2 YR OLD STALLION, AND WAS PRE-APPROVED BY THE KWPN... (SEE PHOTO OF RED BAY)

    ALL THE ABOVE BEFORE AGE 7!

    Anyway....just wanted to use my experience to back up Siegi's "Words of Wisdom"

    PS COULDN'T GET PHOTOS TO ATTACH...I'LL TRY TO SEND IN ANOTHER POST BELOW....
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    Post Here are the photos to go with my above post......

    Here are the photos to go with my above post......
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    Yes, Karin - Wildcard has always been the one to beat!

    The foal picture I attached is of Bardot SE (of course! ), by Florencio and out of Natuur by Wanroij (my Gelders mare). You should see her now - she's somewhere around 16.3 and looking like a million bucks!

    Best,
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    Smile Thanks Siegi!

    " You should see her now - she's somewhere around 16.3 and looking like a million bucks!"

    Thought I recognized her Siegi.....Bardot is to DIE for!!! Please post a recent photo?

    Thanks for your kind words about Wildcard Keur Elite.... She is SUCH a cool horse.... I'll attach a photo below of her in Wellington this winter. She just keeps getting better and better (like Bardot!). Are you going to Breed Bardot?
    One of these days we should talk about a filly swap....Would you consider it? We have a few other daughters of Marie Louise Elite Pref (Silvio 1 (Sandro) X Sit This One Outxx X Saluut), half sisters to Wildcard Keur Elite......Wish I had the money to do an ET with her, but it's been a tough year or two....BTW Wildcards half brother Zulft Ster (Ulft Keur X Silvio 1 Elite Pref) was recently purchased by Grand Prix rider/trainer Heather Mason.....I am so excited that he "landed" in such a great place!!
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    Well, Bardot just came back from Florida because we figured out that she was pregnant after all.
    So here's a picture taken while she was 9 months along - we already knew and were taking it easy with her.... she's at home and living the good life now.

    http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...tMarch2010.jpg

    P.S.: We'll talk about the possibilities of a filly swap off-line...
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    Smile

    "Well, Bardot just came back from Florida because we figured out that she was pregnant after all.
    So here's a picture taken while she was 9 months along - we already knew and were taking it easy with her.... she's at home and living the good life now."

    http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...tMarch2010.jpg


    Hi Siegi! Bardot looks gorgeous! Who is she in foal to? Congratulations!
    Fondly,
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    I usually get into a prospect's life when they are 3 yrs or so. I bought a couple of weanlings last year @ about 3 months. Both stunning and very well-bred. I kept both of them with the breeding farm until a week ago. YIKES!!!! Both ugly ducklings! I will close my eyes and hope for the best.

    and I will NOT be posting photos any time soon ;-D



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