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  1. #1
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    Default Update on the boy and new photos/videos

    Andre is just turning into a darned nice horse. He's going great on the trail with geldings - haven't introduced mares yet. He rides at home bareback in a halter. The other day I was on him bareback and 3 turkeys flew out of the woods. He just stood there and watched them go. I haven't seen him spook once yet and he has a really great work ethic. He's getting into good shape though he has a way to go. He knows all his ground work almost to perfection and rides mostly off leg at this point.

    He now self loads in the trailer, goes over tarps, water, road crossings, handles dogs and wildlife, cows, mock vet checks, and anything else you can throw at him. He's happy to lead, follow, or just get out of the way on the trail, and like his sister he's loaded with get up and go. There isn't a nervous bone in his body. He eats and drinks away from home like a super star.

    I've had him a year and though I've taken it very slowly with him, I feel he has a great base in terms of training and conditioning and am so excited for the summer!

    He'll breed one mare this year and he's also been a super star for learning artificial hand collecting, so that was a huge accomplishment for him too. (This is not any sort of advertisement because he is booked for one mare and that's all we're doing at this time. I want the focus to be on training.)

    Just a happy update on the greatest guy I know!

    http://www.hphoofcare.com/AndreCanterSmall.jpg

    http://www.hphoofcare.com/AndreWalkFall%2009.jpg (sorry, I tried to photoshop the shavings out of his tail but clearly I'm not very talented with the program. lol)

    http://www.hphoofcare.com/WinterBarebackSmall.jpg

    http://www.hphoofcare.com/WinterHalter.jpg

    http://www.hphoofcare.com/AndreVicOct09.jpg]

    VIDEOS:

    Fun with the jolly ball:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYguZjt8XA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn41Z...eature=channel

    Just going down the trail
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3gQe...eature=channel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elg1X...eature=channel



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    Thanks for the update - you and your boy look like you are having a blast. He is so beautiful! You are going to have a wonderful spring and summer.



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    A2, how tall is he? He looks a lot leggier than I remember in the first pictures you posted.



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    He's about 15.2. She told me he was 15.3 but he had very overgrown hooves Maybe he's 15.2 and a 1/2 inch. I can't remember. I'd have to stick him again. He's learned to use himself better, and he's also gained about 100 lbs. But yes, he has very long legs.

    This was the VERY first pic I posted of him from the day I went to look at him:
    http://www.hphoofcare.com/k1.jpg

    And this was the day I brought him home:
    http://www.hphoofcare.com/An2.jpg


    Thanks prudence, I'm enjoying him so much!



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    Wow- he looks really good!!
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    He'll breed one mare this year and he's also been a super star for learning artificial hand collecting, so that was a huge accomplishment for him too.
    Why does a person teach a stallion who is only breeding one mare and and may never breed again, (as you state, based on his performance in the future), to "artificially hand collect"? That suggests that you are going to have such demand that you will need to ship semen?

    Boggles my mind. WHY would you do that? Even at a place like I'm at, where we have 11 stallions, anyone who breeds for frozen or to the phantom is ALWAYS the same person so the stud ONLY associates THAT person with breeding that way. Trainers just wouldn't do that, as their job needs to be totally separate in the stallion's mind. Why is it so important to begin introducing artificial collection to a horse that hasn't bred naturally yet?

    Have you ever bred a virgin stallion? It isn't always really successful the first time. The mare has to be patient. I hope he has enough instinct to get it done the natural way even after, whatever it is you've been teaching him.

    I rarely visit this forum but was looking for some boot suggestions and came across this.

    I'm really just floored by this part of the post.

    If I've misunderstood, please feel free to set me straight.

    NJR



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    For god sake, can I not just post a happy update on a horse without being attacked? FOR ONCE?

    The horse was taught to ground collect so he could have semen evaluation to see if shipping (freezing/cooling) semen is even a possibility for him, which extenders work the best, motility, etc. We need this information for a baseline. Myself, and the repo vet I hired to train him decided to forego the dummy because she has just had very good luck with ground collecting. Some horses learn it easily and some do not. If he doesn't have to mount a dummy, I would prefer he didn't just to save wear and tear on the stifles. If we did end up having to go that route, that would be fine, but he was extremely trainable and willing to ground collect.

    A "trainer" didn't have anything to do with it. She's a vet who specializes in reproduction and that is the majority of her business.

    And the horse was a herd stallion that did live breeding for years before I bought him.
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    For god sake, can I not just post a happy update on a horse without being attacked? FOR ONCE?
    That wasn't an attack, that was a straight forward questioning of your practices. From your post above, they seem very BYB at worst, downright wacky at best. It's not like I'm going to go back and research your history first.

    If this guy was a herd stallion don't you already have evidence of what he throws?

    If I recall correctly, didn't you say when you first got him that you had no intention of breeding him? Or am I mixing you up with some other poster? I'm sure you used to post on other boards on this forum, as I rarely come to this one.

    Again, it's not an attack, and if you think it is, perhaps you might examine your own feelings as to why you feel so "attacked" all the time? This is a discussion forum, after all.

    NJR



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    What a beautiful arab! you don't see them with substance like you used to, or they are harder to find(good quality) striking boy you have.....



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    He certainly is shiny. Good job.
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    Lets not have a train wreck. It sounded aggressive to me.

    Welcome back, AT, look forward to more posts. He's lovely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bank of Dad View Post
    Lets not have a train wreck. It sounded aggressive to me.

    Welcome back, AT, look forward to more posts. He's lovely.

    I agree. On all counts.

    Lovely Arab--just like Sweets



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    NJR - it was definitely a slam against my "practices" as you call them. I don't know what "practice" you are referring to. A reproductive specialist vet training a stallion to ground collect so that a semen analysis can be done is "wacky?" I'm not looking to find out "what he throws." We need to know if his semen is of sufficient quality to cool and ship, and if so, which extenders work best. I need to know motility rate as well. He will be artificially bred so it's pretty important to get the analysis first and do the prerequisite testing and training, don't you think? I don't have any interest in live breeding for a variety of reasons. And I did not say that I have no interest in ever breeding the horse. I said I wanted to give it time and see how he develops, how trainable and rideable he is, how he goes on the trail, and so forth. He's breeding 1 mare this year. He's had a foal with her, that turned out to be a real gem, so the mare's owner would like another chance at a great baby. If he does well at endurance rides, I will advertise him for the following year, but we're a ways off from that yet. Good lord. Just lay off already.

    He's a great guy in every way. He's been such a wonderful addition to the farm! Thanks everyone for the nice words.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss J View Post
    What a beautiful arab! you don't see them with substance like you used to, or they are harder to find(good quality) striking boy you have.....
    I've been noticing that too. Arabians with substantial bone and substance, big feet, and tall, seem to be more difficult to find. At least around here anyway. I do really like his heavier style. I trim a lot of Arabs and he probably has the most bone and substance of any of them I see. Of course many people don't like that, so it's strictly personal preference.



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    Very handsome boy....
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    He looks great!

    If you are comfortable whipping out the camera on your second ride, that's a great sign - though I did get a bit nervous when you said "he never spooks!"



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    LOL, we were laughing at that later. Saying he never spooks seems like an open invitation for a spook doesn't it? Thankfully he hasn't yet, and it's been about 5 months since that video.



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    He is very cute and very shiny, but I'm still confused.

    Why oh why are you breeding him? He appears to have a club foot, or is that the norm for all arab's these days?

    You told us when you first got him that you wouldn't breed him until he "proved" himself? Not sure what your criteria for proving himself is but has he done that yet?

    Didn't you just complain in another thread about going to an auction and seeing young horses go thru for cheap cheap cheap?

    Why would you put more foals on the ground? I sure hope you aren't going to breed him to your hot hot hot mare, with all the ulcers and stress problems.

    What is your breeding plan, your goals?

    Finally, I just have to ask, what does your husband think of the collecting practices? freaky.



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    He's stunning! great job



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    Quote Originally Posted by RidingAllDay View Post
    He is very cute and very shiny, but I'm still confused.

    Why oh why are you breeding him? He appears to have a club foot, or is that the norm for all arab's these days?

    You told us when you first got him that you wouldn't breed him until he "proved" himself? Not sure what your criteria for proving himself is but has he done that yet?

    Didn't you just complain in another thread about going to an auction and seeing young horses go thru for cheap cheap cheap?

    Why would you put more foals on the ground? I sure hope you aren't going to breed him to your hot hot hot mare, with all the ulcers and stress problems.

    What is your breeding plan, your goals?

    Finally, I just have to ask, what does your husband think of the collecting practices? freaky.
    Club foot--the norm for Arabs these days? Where did you get THAT idea???

    You have asked some very odd questions here. What does the husband of anybody who breeds horses think of the collection means? Why do you care what her breeding plans are? Are you a professional and want to offer guidance? Or is there something else you are trying to do?



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