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    Can someone explain this too me? I have never seen to much emphasis put on palominos until I started to read this forum. What is it about them that is so special?

    Sure, they are a pretty colour, but why all the fuss? Is it just the palomino tb's that are special? or warmblood ones? Or are palomino breeders in general obsessive about them? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

    I'd really like to know what it is, but no names please! http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/lol.gif or feel free to email me if you'd rather not post.



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    Can someone explain this too me? I have never seen to much emphasis put on palominos until I started to read this forum. What is it about them that is so special?

    Sure, they are a pretty colour, but why all the fuss? Is it just the palomino tb's that are special? or warmblood ones? Or are palomino breeders in general obsessive about them? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

    I'd really like to know what it is, but no names please! http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/lol.gif or feel free to email me if you'd rather not post.



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    Cause they are so beautiful!!! It is not just palominos but any rare colored horse that is rare within it's regs. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif

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    Janeway -

    I think as the sport of showing horses evolves - the previous bias or prejudice against all color horses is all most gone.

    TB's especially hunters for the last 100+ years has been a very traditional - stuffy http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/lol.gif - group that just did not have the tolerance for anything other than chestnut, bay or grey in the show ring. Any thing other than those colors just were not competitive.

    Colored horses in the past, paints and palominos and the other unique colors IMHO were typically more of a grade type or pretty corse animals - This is no longer the case - we have beautiful examples of not only warmbloods, but TBs as well in lots of unique colors - the bias against them will still raise its head now and then with some of the "old school" judges but for the most part I think they now enjoy great acceptance. And riders can enjoy the rainbow of colors now available and still be very competitive against the plain old bays, chestnuts and greys. This is why the color breeders are enjoying so much success.

    This is JMHO http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif

    Personally, those that know me well are quite amused that I am so smitten with Dream in Gold - because I am one of those stuffy, old traditional TB hunter type people http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif However, DIG could be purple with a neon lime green mane and tail and his conformation, movement and lovely temperament could not be denied, so I am relaxing my previous bias against colored horses in general, and was very sincere about breeding to him in a NY minute if I was still breeding horses. Perhaps I need to find a small chestnut pony mare to breed to him??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm This breeding thing is truly a sickness *LOL*

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Norsire:
    Cause they are so beautiful!!! It is not just palominos but any rare colored horse that is rare within it's regs. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif

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    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It still is a reasonably new thing to have a colored horse that can complete in the english disiplines on the level of the solids. It is all the sudden a new market and people like it so it is booming right now. And they are pretty.

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    It's not the palominos that are contentious but the owners/breeders (no offense meant to current owners/breeders, I was just using Janeway's terminology). Apparently, from what I have read and experienced firsthand in my attempt to breed for a dilute, breeders of palominos have held their horses very close to themselves. For a long time, there were closed books, no live cover and they commanded very high prices (and still do). Even now, Norsire is the only one to offer/advertise a cremello at live cover (with a guarantee of color). So, while I am absolutely not whining about it, I think that this kind of atmosphere created and continues to create quite a bit of envy and jealously. We Americans (especially) aren't use to somebody else having something that we can't have simply because it's a closed market. IMHO, if people could buy/breed them, in any way they wanted, like dilute QH's, then there might not have been all this in-fighting. Hopefully, with all the dilute stallions bred in the last couple of years, the market will open up and the good horses will command good prices and the junk will sink to the bottom. Now, the question I have is: Are there any JC dilute stallions in California http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_cool.gif ?



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    I agree with Norsire....because palominos are gorgeous (at least IMO http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif ) I do believe when something deviates from the norm, it will draw attention!


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    well Janeway - let me take a stab at this ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

    I think the first big controversy surfaced surrounding Milkie's Desire
    He was "acquired" from King Hackley by Donja Vaughn in CO.

    It was, and still is, a horrible mess and the really and truly saddest part ofall is that Milkie's Desire is STILL caught up in the middle of all of this. He is a truly lovely, older stallion that deserves far better than what he has gotten over the last few years.

    You then had the whole fiasco with the 4 JC registered TB's that had their papers pulled by the JC in early 2001, due to being conceived by AI. Two palomino's, a cremello and a chestnut.

    Thats really been about it as far as contentious issues. The usual squabbling (mostly good natured!) among the breeders, but no more or less than any other competitors!

    People got hurt in the JC issue. The horses all ended up just fine.

    The one that still irks me to this day are the events surrounding Milkie's Desire. It is simply sickening what that stallion has had to endure for the last few years, and it is not fair. The people involved are still doing well and yet there is a stallion, that should be a very special and cherished animal to some breeder out there, barely existing (if he is even still alive at this point)

    May they all get what is coming to them ...

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    [This message was edited by Spot on Feb. 28, 2003 at 10:47 AM.]



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    Hmmmm, just a slight correction about MD; Donja did sign the certificates and the JC did issue legitimate papers... And yes, it is incredibly sad to see such a wonderful stallion in such sad straits...



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    CentralCoast - has that now been resolved then?
    The last I heard was that the foals still didnt have registration status.
    Thats wonderful for the owners ifthat is the case.

    Have you heard anything about MD at your end at all? Good or bad?

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    Centralcoast, no there are no dilutes on the west coast in CA! But, one of mine certainly could be. I have had alot of breeders wishing one was there for live cover and some people even if they don't have TB's simply MUST SEE a stallion before they breed to them. I wish one of mine was there for the CA/West Coast breeders. Maybe someday soon??? Hint, hint???

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    Norsire -that is not exactly correct.
    There are several dilute fillies and mares out there - just no palomino stallion, unless you count Milkie's Desire who is still in CO, we think.

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    No Spot she asked <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Are there any JC dilute stallions in California ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    My answer therefore is correct! I was just answering Centralcoast question on "dilute STALLIONS in CA. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_cool.gif

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    Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

    Although Spot I wasn't actually looking for specifics, more of a general idea of why the breeding of palomino's seems to stir strong emotions.

    I was thinking more along the lines of whether it had to do with jealousy, competition, or one-up-manship between breeders etc. I never would have though that there was a specific moment in time when Palomino-Gate started http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

    I understand the JC aspect of breeding them in that they are rare, but what about in the quarter horse world? What is that palomino society like? I was more interested in generalities then specifics.



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    For real controversy, find an arab board and post three little words: Purebred Arabian Palomino. http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...ilies/dead.gif

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    Milkie's Desire is still alive?

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    Astraled - <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> For real controversy, find an arab board and post three little words: Purebred Arabian Palomino <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I used to board at an Arab barn and I know EXACTLY what you mean, unfortunately!
    Those three little words could evoke more Hellfire and passion than anything else!

    jparkes - I *think* and pray that MD is still alive.
    Since this thread started, I have put some calls in to the relevant parties in CO that are looking into this. As soon as I hear back from them, I will let everyone know the details on MD and how he is doing

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    I know he is mine, but doesn't his color take your breath away???

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    I wish that the controversies didn't define palomino TBs as a group. They are beautiful and I think many have been bred with movement, conformation, and temperament in mind. It is fun to have a nice horse with an unusual color.

    I love black bays and liver chestnuts too!

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    Wow! Look at those lovely dapples! Do they stay all year?



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    you know Ladybug Hill - I was going to say that I think my horses have better dapples than yours, but I think you *might* have me beat! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

    This is a picture of my old colt - LooksPalominoToMe- the winter before he left, and he was dappled head to toe.

    My Golden Angel mare gets REALLY dappley too. Sato doesnt, which is too bad ...

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