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  1. #1
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    Default BROODMARE LEASE GONE TERRIBLY WRONG-OTHER HORSES AT RISK

    http://artisticgold.webs.com/neglectstarvationdeath.htm

    I've posted this account of my HORRIBLE experience with a farm in VA when I entrusted my two beautiful mares to their care. One mare died, the other was pulled out in emaciated condition, and wouldn't have lived through the winter. I'm hoping that my account will alert people to the conditions there, and if anyone has a horse there or knows someone that has given or leased a horse to them, they can go rescue the horse and also contact Animal Control. Please feel free to message me privately for more details

    [Mod note: We have removed the names and other identifying details from the thread to comply with forum policy. For the thread to remain, posters MAY NOT post identifying info about the parties involved--as the authorities have not pressed charges in this case.

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    I am absolutely appalled... Having known Lea and the condition she was in when she left your place.... this is shocking!

    And I know you did your homework, vetted these folks, met them, checked their references, etc... I guess it goes to show things are not always as they appear.

    I am so very sorry for you and your lovely mares! I know how much you have loved them both, and the kind of care you have given them over the years...

    Hoping Lea makes a full recovery.
    We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.



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    I'm so sorry to hear of your mares mistreatment. That is just awful. I hope you expose this person.



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    I am so sorry to hear about both of your mares. It sounds like you did a very good job of vetting the leasees and that they were good at hiding how they really treated horses.

    I hope Lea makes a full recovery.



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    Thanks, Flash...this has been probably the worst horse episode in my life. I just can't believe someone could do this to these poor animals. There are lots more of them on their farm and the mountain pasture. Some may even belong to people on this forum, she contacted me through the "giveaway' forum, so others may be unaware of the condition their horses are in there. Word needs to get out to save them!



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    Thanks, Kris. I guess I am so innocent that I actually believed these people, and the photos of the farm looked fabulous. However they have over 40 horses, and don't supplement with hay or grain. Just whatever they can scavenge for themselves. Now they are being watched, so hay is provided, but only because Animal Control is onto them...

    I can never forgive myself for letting my sweet mares go to this hellhole.



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    I'm so sorry. We have a person like this in our neighborhood and multiple horses have died in her care, including an older warmblood stallion that was well known at one point. I had contacted some owners in the past about her, but they never did come and check on their horses... I'm so glad you cared enough to go get your mare!
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    Thanks, everyone. I've hit rock bottom again today when I was posting photos of Panache on the webpage. I'm terribly depressed and sitting her crying for her. I just wish I could hug and kiss her, and tell her how sorry I am....



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    I had sent you a PM, but have found who you're referring to through the internet.

    I'm so sorry for what you went through. These folks should definitely be exposed.
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    People can be so cruel What a horrible, horrible thing to happen to those poor animals.*Jingles* for Lea's recovery and for the other horses still on the mountain. Hopefully the authorities will continue to do their job and get the rest of those horses the help and care that they need.



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    I am so sorry that this tragedy happened to your horses and how heart breaking it is for you. Of course you did all you could beforehand so please don't knock yourself. Circumstances must have changed with these people like I am sure are changing with a lot of people who are loosing jobs etc. If we are placing horses in homes, we all have to be extra careful in today's economy that our horses will have the food and care they require. Please don't beat yourself up, you had no way of knowing what would happen.
    http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill



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    I am very sorry. I think it is good that you are posting this.
    One of the best things I read is to check on them personally. Whether they are at a vets or a boarding stables until you know how things operate. Even then things can change, so regular visits help. People tend to hide things and unfortunately the more they have to hide, the better they are at it. I visit places and look at the other horses before I take mine anywhere, and then I still drop by as often as possible. Horses are like small children in that they can’t tell you what happened or phone you. I guess if you are far away you could have a local vet check them for you, or someone you know in the area.
    Very sad.


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    Talloaks,

    yes, she found me and others on the GIVEAWAY column on this forum, and has also posted on other forums looking for free mares. I'm worried that there may be other people on COTH who have leased or given mares to them, and are unaware of the true state of affairs there. They just have an uncaring, selfish viewpoint. I believe they are 'hoarders', like to say they they have fancy horses, but then don't care if they get sick, starved, or die. They just go out and get more...

    PLEASE, if you know anyone who leased, adopted out, or gave away a horse on this forum to someone in VA, please let them know, and contact me for full details....The Animal Control Officer would like the owners of the horses to come and get them out of this awful place.



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    Wow... I'm glad when I was looking to free-lease my mare that I decided that she would not work for them... I hope your mare pulls through and that her filly made it.
    Not all who wander are lost.



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    WHOA, Kinsella,

    How close you can to entrusting your mare to these monsters! I'm so happy that you didn't do it, your mare might not be alive right now....



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    What's really scary is they looked totally legit. Nothing alarming on the website, nothing really alarming about her posts on COTH, far as I can remember....

    Couple that with a totally fine background/reference check and no alarm bells whilst meeting them and what can you do. It's sad.

    As someone else mentioned, did circumstances there change? I know that's how Win ended up the way he did, owner got overwhelmed, and just chucked all the horses out w/o food or water figuring they'd do ok with the creek and some grass....

    Again, so sorry for your loss. I know how much you love both!
    We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.



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    Yes, I didn't get any alarm bells when talking with them and putting together this lease arrangement. I'm usually so good at picking up on inconsistencies and bs, but I guess she was just too smooth and good at telling me what I wanted to hear.

    I don't believe circumstances have changed there, they seem to have had a pattern of neglect and dead horses according to people in the area that know about the farm. This has gone on for a long time, but I'm hoping we can help to end that!!! This is for the horses.....



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    I'm so sorry to hear. If anyone by chance is going there, please PM me -

    I don't have a mare there, but want to make sure a foal is OK, if possible. (Also not my foal, but would give it a home, if the place gets shut down & it needs a soft place to land.)



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    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?bl...7&isPopup=true

    evidently they are known to local people for this kind of behavior....



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    KBequine,

    when I was at the main farm looking for my mare to take her home(who wasn't there, but was 40 miles away abandoned on the side of a mountain) I did not see any foals. My mare, Lea, had a lovely pinto filly that was supposed to be mine, per the contract. They had previously made an agreement to buy the filly, but if they don't follow through per the contract, i will be going in to take the filly as well, IF I can find her.



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