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    Default 2009 Zuchtwertschätzung (breeding value statistic) just being published

    The brand new 2009 FN Zuchtwertschätzung (Breeding Value Statistic) has just been published. With Belissimo, Real Diamond and Sir Donnerhall even three current stallions of my breeding program are ranked amongst the TOP TEN of all dressage breeding stallions available in Germany - of course I am overly excited!

    here is the link for more information: http://www.hippologi.com/NewsArchiveengl.htm
    here is the complete list of the top-one-percent statisitc: http://www.pferd-aktuell.de/Anlage83...nt-Dressur.pdf

    to rank amongst the top-one-percent stallion league a minimum of 151 index points was required this year.



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    Interesting to see the fairly recently imported (showing in the Hunters) stallion Pasolongo on that list.

    Is there one for jumpers too?



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    Wow, great to see Belissimo M so high up there. I've got one mare in foal to him now, and will breeding another one to him next year.
    Fannie Mae, could you explain what the abbreviations at the top of the chart mean? Obviously Dressur is dressage and Sicherheit is reliability, but what are the other abbreviations?



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    Totally off topic, Fannie Mae, but can you explain what Lic. ZfdP means ? I know the Z is for Zucht , school, I assume, but what is the significance of this licencing?
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    Zucht means "breed", not school. ZfdP is Zuchtverband fuer Deutche Pferde. Literally, the breeding association for German Horses. aka "German Warmbloods"



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    Thank you.
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    Awesome...thanks! I can't wait to start our 2007 Dressage Royal babies!!!!



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    It is amazing how many of that top 1% are Donnerhall breeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixpoundfarm View Post
    Interesting to see the fairly recently imported (showing in the Hunters) stallion Pasolongo on that list.

    Is there one for jumpers too?
    http://www.pferd-aktuell.de/Anlage83...t-Springen.pdf

    Stakkato still in the lead. Please not that they are not ranked from nr 1 and further. It is just the top 1 percent



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    Have they an eventing one as well?
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    Thanks for posting the links.

    I also need a translation for the codings ... HLP, ZSP/VA, ABP and TSP.

    Are there any similar statistics for KWPN?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakstable View Post
    Thanks for posting the links.

    I also need a translation for the codings ... HLP, ZSP/VA, ABP and TSP.

    Are there any similar statistics for KWPN?
    HLP Stallion Perfermance test

    ZSP/VA mare performancetest

    ABP the first rounds in competition (Build up comp)

    TSP regular competition



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    Thank you, why not.

    And the ZW means ...?



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    ZW = breeding value
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    If I understand correctly, the TSP is the breeding value based on the results of their progeny in competition.
    Galoubet leads in this case!
    Sharing the lead with Heartbreaker and Lupicor.
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    Oh Fannie Mae, this made my day Thanks for posting!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy.smaga View Post
    If I understand correctly, the TSP is the breeding value based on the results of their progeny in competition.
    Galoubet leads in this case!
    Sharing the lead with Heartbreaker and Lupicor.
    Correct! And the fact that a French stallion is leading who will have probably not more then 10 horses in german competition, says enough about this assessment tool. I personally don't find these FN statistics accurate. Better is to look at the number of S placed offspring and see howmany percent this is from the total number of offspring in sport. The stallion needs however a certain age for this to measure. I once made a list based upon the breeding values of 2009. First number is total amount of horses in sport, second is the number of S placed horses, last is the percentage

    Calido 884 147 16%
    Corrado I 633 141 22
    Corrado II 152 25 16
    Carthago 639 206 32
    Cassini I 705 154 21
    Cassini II 227 20 8
    Concerto II155 46 29
    Caretino 734 138 18
    Lasino 216 29 13
    Stakkato 302 51 17
    Limbus 231 27 11
    Calato 529 50 9
    Contender 1507 262 17
    Quidam de R 234 86 36
    Lord Pezi 68 15 22
    Arpeggio 296 22 7



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    Why not, your list is very interesting and educative.

    To make it easier to read, I've listed the stallions by percentage importance:

    Quidam de Revel 234 86 36
    Carthago 639 206 32
    Concerto II 155 46 29
    Corrado I 633 141 22
    Lord Pezi 68 15 22
    Cassini I 705 154 21
    Caretino 734 138 18
    Stakkato 302 51 17
    Contender 1507 262 17
    Calido 884 147 16
    Corrado II 152 25 16
    Lasino 216 29 13
    Limbus 231 27 11
    Calato 529 50 9
    Cassini II 227 20 8
    Arpeggio 296 22 7
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    Nice to se a number of Trakehners in the link FannieMae posted

    In Flagranti (who I am using next season)
    Hofrat
    Munchhausen
    Montiverdi
    Insterburg
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    Thanks so much for the data and the data crunching ..

    maybe it is obvious but (dumb question)--where is the underlying TSP data found?

    I have always wondered what the success rate for progeny at the upper level for stallions that are considered prepotent for jump and came to the conclusion that 15 percent might be the magic number-- your data crunching gives some data to the off the cuff assumption of mine.

    I am also assuming that the number of horses in sport is determined-- based on progeny with competition records and not by foals born within certain age groups? (The former would thus tend to only include foals that have actually been talented/lucky/ or it was financailly viable to be put into sport and would not show ammie or cull rates of progeny for certain stallions.?)



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