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    Default Barn Change - proper etiquette?

    I am changing barns, is there any proper “etiquette” in doing so?



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    Not sure what kind of situation you are in - but I always prefer to talk to the barn owner in person first and just be as kind, up front and and honest as possible.

    Then I provide them with a written copy of my 30 day notice for records/legal reasons if you have a boarding contract that requires that kind of notice. I keep it short and simple - and complimentary if possible. Always try to leave on a good note if the situation warrants that possibility.



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    Give your notice as per your contract. Come up with a gracious reason. Not "you suck", but "new barn better meets my needs, but I enjoyed my time here". If other boarders ask, be gracious- "new barn is closer to home, has more turn out, works better for me".

    Don't be nasty, snotty, rude or try to get out of your contractual obligation. If it is an awful situation, pay what you need to pay, and move "Oh, well, they had an opening today so I leave tomorrow, but here is my 30 day board check since I don't want to put you in a bad spot".



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    I dont have a contract and would like to leave pretty quickly after I have the talk (I'm thinking maybe doing it tomorrow), and I dont want to pay for more than the prorated board for the days that I am there. Is that bad?

    Under no circumstances would I be unprofessional or rude during the conversation, no worries there.



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    even without a contract 30 days notice is common courtesy. Do you know if there is a waiting list to board there? If so might not cause undue hardship to not give 30 days notice but if BO has to find a new boarder to replace you and has no warning it could be an issue.



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    Well it is standard in the industry (and most others) to give 30 days notice, but if you have no boarding contract than you are under no legal obligation to give any notice at all, your b/o might be pissed off though. If it's a bad situation and there is an open stall waiting for you to move into immediately, you may not care if (s)he is bad about you moving without notice. However if you have to stay at the barn for any length of time, are worried about horses safety, etc. I would give proper notice and/or payment. The best advice I've gotten about the horse world is that it's small and you really should try not to burn any bridges.
    "to live is the rarest thing in the world, most people merely exist."



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    If they have never agreed to provide pro-rated board, you may be stuck.



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    Wanting to bail with no notice and not paying beyond that day in a thread with "proper etiquette" in the title - now there's a nice contradiction. Take the high road and pay a 30 day notice period, even if you leave immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmvwiv View Post
    I dont have a contract and would like to leave pretty quickly after I have the talk (I'm thinking maybe doing it tomorrow), and I dont want to pay for more than the prorated board for the days that I am there. Is that bad?

    Under no circumstances would I be unprofessional or rude during the conversation, no worries there.
    Uh, unless there is some crazy drama situation requiring you to up and leave immediately, leaving on one day's notice and then asking for pro-rated board back is really no bueno.

    At the very least leave them with the money through the end of the month, if there isn't a contract requiring you to pay next month's board as well.



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    If it's a bad situation? You leave a check for the 30 days and MOVE ASAP.

    With no contract? I dunno-it is reasonable and customary in most month to month trenancies (which is what you basically have with no contract) to pay thru the end of the month in which you leave if not go with the 30 days.

    If you want to be ethical and fair, pay up thru the 31st of October. But MOVE the horse as soon as you give that notice if there is any hint of bad blood or retribution.

    BTW you owe no explanation other then you are leaving.

    Contracts really, really, should be in place for this to protect both sides. It may be you can move without 30 days notice but it also makes no promises on what care the horse gets. Can hardly claim breach of contract for poor horse care when there is no contract.

    Please do not forget that the horse world is a small one. Unless this barn is just gosh awful and the BO a well known stoner/deadbeat-your reputation as a skipper might get around quicker then you do.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreene View Post
    Wanting to bail with no notice and not paying beyond that day in a thread with "proper etiquette" in the title - now there's a nice contradiction. Take the high road and pay a 30 day notice period, even if you leave immediately.
    Wanting to do something one way and doing it are 2 different things thus the question as to the "norms"/etiquette.

    If that is what one should do then so be it. Doesnt mean I have to like it.

    I was hoping notification tomorrow, move horse this weekend and pay through the 15th would be sufficient.



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    Look to your contract if you have one. It isn't uncommon for barns to charge a "daily fee" that is higher than your monthly board divided by 30 days for your last month (and in some cases the first month).

    Make sure all debts are settled with BO and anyone else before you load up. I've found that face to face with a written notice is best. Never ever say anything negative about the place you are leaving.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmvwiv View Post
    I was hoping notification tomorrow, move horse this weekend and pay through the 15th would be sufficient.
    And you can certainly offer to do just that when you give notice.

    But they will probably say no and want the 30 days...and in that case I would probably counter with the rest of this month and figure out the the pro rated rate by day and pay thru the 31st. Be aware they will probably NOT let you off the property until you pay and are within their rights in most states to do so.
    Depending on your states laws, if this is considered a month to month tenency, they will be on the side of the BO with at least until the end of this month. That 30 day thing is reasonable and customary contract or not.

    Only thing that might help is if they can fill the stall immmediately so they are not looking at an empty stall the rest of this month.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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    I was hoping notification tomorrow, move horse this weekend and pay through the 15th would be sufficient.
    Well since this was posted after Oct. 1st, I'm assuming your October board has already been paid. If you are offering to cover through Nov. 15th, it's very possible that the BO will be OK, especially if you have been polite and upfront.

    If I'm wrong and you still owe for October, do the right thing and pay at least the full 30 days from notice. Most barns want notice by the 1st or will expect 30 days paid for the following month, ie: end of November.



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    I left a boarding facility with only 1 day notice this summer. But it was an entirely different situation in that it was a short-term board and the farm knew up front that I would only be there for 3 months. There were some serious care issues (let's just say horse went from 52" girth to 48") and I was concerned for the health/safety of my horse so I packed everything up and politely told the trainer I was leaving early. Didn't really give her much of a reason and she didn't really need one. I paid for the 2 weeks we weren't there anyway--I felt it was only fair.

    I would recommend you ask the BO if you can just pay through the 15th like you said. If she says no pay the 30 days and simply be happy to be moving on to a better place.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmvwiv View Post
    I was hoping notification tomorrow, move horse this weekend and pay through the 15th would be sufficient.
    Not sufficient if you really care about "proper etiquette" - 30 days notice is only fair.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckawayfarm View Post
    Well since this was posted after Oct. 1st, I'm assuming your October board has already been paid. If you are offering to cover through Nov. 15th, it's very possible that the BO will be OK, especially if you have been polite and upfront.

    If I'm wrong and you still owe for October, do the right thing and pay at least the full 30 days from notice. Most barns want notice by the 1st or will expect 30 days paid for the following month, ie: end of November.
    Ummm, with no contract, I believe 30 days from notification would be sufficient and hold up. And if OP is paid up in full for October? Then, yeah, there should be little issue, just the few days at the beginning of next month.

    And insist on a contract at the next place so you don't have to guess.
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    I agree that 30 days would cover it. Just pointing out that most moves occur at the end of the month, so unless something comes up unexpectedly, notice should be given with board on the first. Makes it much easier for the BO to replace you without losing on board. The horse world is small and many boarding barns run on a tight budget these days. Making it easier on everyone will help insure you a good reputation and warm welcome at future barns.



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    You needing to give notice is absolutely necessary if you want to reamin kosher. Unfortunately, most farms (especially in this economy) are living paycheck to paycheck. So if you just bail without any notice, you really put them in a tight spot. I always say that I am never mad about a client leaving my program....it's the way they leave that determines if we are friendly at shows or not.

    If a BO knows that income isn't going to be there next month (because of your fabulous 30 days notice), they can make changes to their budget accordingly. Or best situation, they can tell those on their waiting list about an opening, and in turn the upcoming clients can give notice to their present farms.

    Whether or not you stay during that period is entirely up to you. I've eaten board at one place while my horses were at another b/c I just wanted the heck out...without causing a scene. In fact, I think BOs like that situation best: you are gone, but your financial contribution stays.

    But it's your bridge to burn....



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    I just changed barns.

    I really liked my old barn, but the turnout situation wasn't working so a few days into September, I took my horse to my trainer's barn for a trial boarding situation to see how I would like it there. I didn't want to leave current barn without knowing I would like new barn. I was completely honest with my current barn owner about what I was doing and she was cool with it - no hard feelings. By mid-Sept, I had made up my mind that I was going to stay at my trainer's, so I let her know. However - as most people have mentioned and as my boarding contract states – I am required to give 30 days notice from the beginning of a boarding cycle (first of the month). So I verbally told her mid-September that we wouldn’t be coming back...and my horse had been gone since almost the beginning of September...but I still paid October board and provided her an official 30 day written notice on Oct 1. Technically – she got almost 2 months of board out of me without me having my horse there at all. But that was my choice. And she is nice enough that she said she’ll refund me prorated days if she finds another boarder before the end of Oct to fill my stall since really...she got about six weeks of notice.

    But we are on good terms and I like this barn A LOT – I wanted to keep relations good in case I needed to go back there or send another horse there.

    So it is probably more about how you want to end things.



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