Any opinions on either A/P saddle? Saddle fitter came out and the used Berney Bros I bought isn't "ideal". Tree is too curved and a bit too wide. He was able to flock it temporarily until I get another saddle. He felt the two I named would be a better fit for my horse and still have the features I want (A/P, more forward flaps) I want to eventually jump in it lightly, but mostly do flatwork, hacking out. I'm on the hunt for used!
I have a Bates Caprilli A/P. I love it, have jumped up to 3 ft in it with no problem and feel I could easily go higher if I wanted without issue. It definately has a more forward flap than most A/P I have seen. To me it sort of seems like a CC with a deep seat.
Everyone who I have let ride in it has found it comfortable (enough so to remark on it). I got mine used from a local tack store, but have seen some on eBay.
I've had both, and really wouldn't consider either a true A/P. Both are more as DF described them - deep seated CCs.
LOVED both of them. I only sold the Stubben because it didn't fit my youngster. Bought the Caprilli for the adjustable gullet, and it ended up fitting me better than the Stubben did. I felt comfortable and secure in both, but can sit up better in the Caprilli.
ETA: The newer Bates seem to fit the rider very differently than the older ones; Mine is like the one in DF's picture.
In the depths of time, the words uttered by early man as they leaped for the first time onto a prey animal with a brain the size of a golf ball, were undoubtedly, "Hold my beer and watch this...!"
Thanks for the pic! That really helps. My gelding's back is very similar actually so his recommendation looks right on target.
He also mentioned a Stubben "Artiss"? can't find such a thing...anyone heard of that? Maybe "artist??"
The Stubben Artus was an awesome saddle. They quit making it a few years ago, unfortunately. I think the Camelot came out around the same time and was similar. The Edelweiss is the model that they kept out of those three.
I loved my edelweisses. I had an old style one and a new one -- neither fit my current horse so I had to go with another brand. But I was really sad about it. They hold up wonderfully and are SOOOOO comfortable and balanced. I did not like the bates when I had it on trial -- the twist was too wide and the seat too shallow for my personal taste.
I have the Edelweiss Delux NT and I love it. It has a narrow twist, short points and a half deep seat. It is not an AP saddle - definitely a jumping saddle. Apparently, there is a big difference between the old Edelweiss and the new ones they call the NT. I really recommend the one I have.
I have a Stubben Edeweiss NT and a Bates Caprilli CC. I loved the Stubben, but my horse outgrew it. I felt really secure in it and just love the leather. It still breaks my heart that I can't use it on my horse anymore
I decided to go with the Bates only because I wasn't sure how much more my horse was going to change and I didn't want to have to keep buying saddles. I do like the Bates saddle and I think my horse enjoys the Cair panels. I am hoping that with time the leather will be as nice as the Stubben's. I have only had it for a couple of months and my horse has been off for some of that time.
I love my Bates Caprilli - it is very comfortable for me and my horse. It's funny, a good friend of mine (and an experienced rider) came over and rode with me and she thought my caprilli felt like she was riding on a banana - but I absolutely love it.