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    Default Happy Dance- I found a pain doctor with horses!

    I am so excited today.

    (back story)
    I went to a pain management doctor. He told me I need to quit riding. Because that thing, he thinks it's called trotting, is really bad for the back.

    (today)
    I asked my orthopedic surgeon for another referral, and he sent me to a new pain management guy. Not only does the doctor ride horses, but so does his PA! The both totally get it! I am so happy and finally feeling really optimistic that we will get it all under control

    In fact, she said (the PA) that she'd make it her goal for me to be able to sit the trot



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    I am lucky I guess. Both my surgeon and my pain specialist probably SHOULD say I should quit riding but neither of them have. Truthfully if I did quit riding I most likely wouldn't need either of them but then we would all three be bummed. Me for not riding and them having one les patient.



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    There's nothing like touting for advice you like.

    However this reminds me of the old joke

    Man consults doctor re his broken fingers "will I be able to play the piano"

    "Yes of course" says the doctor

    "Oh great. Because I can't now"

    Also puts me in mind of a time when I had no blood clotting factor and my consultant said "Tom you mustn't ride horses it's too dangerous". I said (as a bit of a joke) "what about carriage driving" and he said "that will be fine. That's perfectly safe".

    Since then I've become good friends with my consultant and have taken him out for a white knuckle ride with a team of four in hand and scared the sh* out of him. He's taken back his words!

    Truth is you want to learn how to do a sitting trot you probably need a riding instructor not a doctor.



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    That's awesome! I've often thought we should have a list of doctors & other professionals that have horses... only horse people get horse people!

    I had an orthopaedic dr who's wife rides & I used to have a GYN who rode, but then he quit practicing in DE.

    Best wishes that you'll soon be pain free!
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    Yes, Thomas, I have a riding instructor. I also have severe back problems (I broke my back 1 1/2 years ago) and have had too much pain to even practice sitting trot much over the last year. That is why I'm seeing an orthopedic surgeon (who also did not tell me to quit riding) and a pain management doctor.

    But it's nice to see you being your usual empathetic self.

    And MKS, that's exactly why I posted, to tell everyone that if they ride in So Cal and are looking for a pain management doc, they should go see Dr. Paicius in Newport Beach



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    That is great news! It really makes a difference when your doctor understands -- both what you are doing and your need to do it!

    Best wishes for good pain management and your sitting trot!
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    Default A quick FYI.....

    Recent study from NZ on saddle acceleration forces showed two point had lowest forces..........

    IMO, implication for back pain folks.....
    while sitting the ........is important, if you want joint preservation and by default, any chance at less pain while on the horse, work on your two point.

    Reference by request.

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    yes I agree, a change of discipline is in order. Other studies have shown that dressagwe riders have higher rates of lower back pain than either hunter/jumper or western pleasure riders.

    I'd say go shopping for some western bling.
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    Sorry, very not going to happen until the orthopedic surgeon tells me I must Interestingly, however, riding does not aggravate my back. Sitting aggravates it, but not riding. Go figure.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambrey View Post
    Sorry, very not going to happen until the orthopedic surgeon tells me I must Interestingly, however, riding does not aggravate my back. Sitting aggravates it, but not riding. Go figure.
    Does that mean less time on the internet bulletin boards?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas_1 View Post
    Does that mean less time on the internet bulletin boards?
    Maybe you should take some off the bulletin boards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas_1 View Post
    Does that mean less time on the internet bulletin boards?
    Aw, your concern for me is so touching! Don't worry, sweetums, I'll never leave!



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    Ambrey - do you have a PT too? Mine did wonders for me and my broke back and assorted hardware, but alas, I can't do the trotters anymore, there is only so much they could fix in my case, but at least I can still ride (and do!!)..yeah, thank goodness for gaited horses.

    But perhaps there are some exercises that would help your back? I had a slew of them that I had to do before I could sit (I still have a chair seat at the worst of pain times) but found that doing my exercises before I rode helped tremendously. Just a thought and glad that you aren't giving up horses, I always said I'd rather ride than sit, rather ride than do anything I could think of, so have tried to stick with it. BTW - sitting in one position for too long aggravates the dog out of my back, makes me stiff. Of course I have an office job but I make myself get up every hour for five minutes and do some walking and some stretches so that helps as well.



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    Yep, did 6 months of PT right after, and am headed back for more. Indeed, I'm very grateful I can still ride! Things could have been much, much worse.

    I don't know that the PT I did after the accident was properly directed- I'm hoping the new PT can help a bit more. Between that and the injection, I'm hoping for some great relief



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambrey View Post
    Yep, did 6 months of PT right after, and am headed back for more. Indeed, I'm very grateful I can still ride! Things could have been much, much worse.

    I don't know that the PT I did after the accident was properly directed- I'm hoping the new PT can help a bit more. Between that and the injection, I'm hoping for some great relief
    Sounds like you finally decided to work! Hope you do, that's the only thing which will strengthen you, work work work, and more work, and for alot longer than six months. When you're strong, like iron, you'll begin to see pain alleviation, but you have to be willing to work. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnotherRound View Post
    Sounds like you finally decided to work! Hope you do, that's the only thing which will strengthen you, work work work, and more work, and for alot longer than six months. When you're strong, like iron, you'll begin to see pain alleviation, but you have to be willing to work. Good luck!
    Just because I have not posted here about my efforts or my progress does not mean I haven't been working.

    Unfortunately, when your spine looks like this, it is about more than willingness to work, it's about having the right kind of help. That's why I was so happy to finally have a good team on my side and a plan of action.



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    Well, I agree - you must have the right help, and it sounds like you have found it. I can understand your happiness - its fantastic when you find the right people who know what's going on and what you want to do. Good luck, just find them can change your perceptions of possibilities. Sorry about your back, looks unhappy. Hope eveything will improve soon.
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    Ambrey....it is wonderful to hear that you are going about finding a means to ride and to do well at it, too many "armchair jockeys" out there willing to criticize but not to do like you are. Good for you and you go girl!!

    About 4 and a half years ago, when the hubby, daughter and I were putting up metal on our barn, it was a bit breezy. As my daughter handed me up a long sheet of metal, I went to lay it on the barn roof to push it to the husband when a gust of wind caught it. Instead of letting it slide down and possibly hit and injure my daughter, I kept hold of it and was spun around, and getting a shot of pain down my right leg, but thinking maybe I just pulled a hamstring or some such. Went to a chiropractor for 2 weeks and in this time, I began to slowly get worse, began to cant to the side, couldn't feel my heel at all, then due to the numbness my riding was off as well. After more pain and no relief I asked for a consult to go get an MRI as the chiropractor kept saying it was normal it was normal, the muscles are swollen...yea they were swollen alright...

    Found out I have a bad ruptured disc to the L5/S1, it was pushing on the sciatica nerve, causing the canting and by now, extreme numbness, and when I went in to talk to the back docs, he asked if I could get off the table, bend down and touch the floor with my fingertips, I did all of this very slowly and when I was done he asked how much pain I was in. I was in some pain, but being stoic said not as much as his face is saying I should be in. He showed me my MRI results, you cancould see the rupture, it looked like I have a pea size area where the fluid leaked out and even I could pick it out. Took me a while to comfortably sit a trot in a western saddle, thank god for a nice western pleasure QH, and then post a trot on my draft mare. I still take condroitin and glucosamine tablets several times a week and the ocassional tylenol.

    One thing the chiropractor said to me, is that I may not ever ride again and if I did, I really should sell my QH for a TWH or Saddlebred, something "smooth". Scared the hell outta me and I vividly remember, after getting the results of the MRI calling the husband balling as riding is my life.
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    LOL, I know what you mean! When I saw my x-rays and later MRIs, I cried. I was sure he was going to tell me to quit riding, or that I would need surgery.

    But since right now I do not have leg pain, just back pain, it's just conservative treatment And since the bone is healed, riding doesn't seem to aggravate it.

    I lean and curl and do all kinds of things, though. I'm a mess



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    Hey you can be like me, when the back is acting up you hitch the TEAM together and drive down the road, sitting in the seat looking pretty... Nothing like two Percheron mares together, in step, all sassy and show...

    Glad your out there, really!!



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