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  1. #1
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    Default SOLD, but how would you have priced him?

    I want this to stay within the BB rules, so please understand I'm just seeking perspectives. It's so very, very rare for a stallion to come up for sale.

    This is not a stallion I own--I haven't even met him--and he's already been sold.

    BUT there was some back and forth about how much he's worth. So, I'm wondering what others think.

    Pony stallion, Welsh cross with a not-oft-mentioned, old-bloodline sire and a dam with WB and other blood in her. The WB blood is widely recognized. The stallion himself has a lot of get, but you'd never have heard of them or him. He's a well-built, but not flashy, large large teenager. Throws outstanding movement, at least in amongst a small set of known babies who happen to live nearby. Everyone has great temperament. Located in an area easily accessed by high-dollar horse folk.

    Whaddya think? ANY guesses welcome! No offense (can't be--he ain't mine!) at lowballs. I'm just wondering how others would figure a price on him (and curious to find out if the concensus would be close to what he actually went for, too). So speculate away. Have fun with hypotheticals, too, if you want.
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    Was he registered/approved in a registry? Are his babies eligible for a registry?

    That would make a difference IMO.



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    Ohhh! Good question, drat it. I think there's a chance he's ASPR (Eh, whoopie, huh? Not to me. ). Almost certainly registered half-Welsh (another, "Oh, well...").
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    If he is a teenager already, I would say free to a good home.
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    Without seeing him, it's impossible to say. A picture is worth 10 million words, as far as I'm concerned.

    I'm going to give a wide guess, and say $1500 to $15,000! WHO KNOWS! Without more specific details and pictures, there is just no way of knowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwynnnorman View Post

    The stallion himself has a lot of get, but you'd never have heard of them or him.
    well that makes him worth about nothing.......
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    [QUOTE=Tamara in TN;4240583]

    well that makes him worth about nothing.......
    LOL (I love you Tamara!!! )
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    [QUOTE=Tamara in TN;4240583]

    well that makes him worth about nothing.......
    lol.... hmmmm quite abit of truth to that comment Couldn't have said it better
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    Throws movement for hunters or movement for dressage?

    If hunters I'm going to say around $8,000 - but you don't mention if he/his get can jump.

    Dressage - you'd be looking at the GRP type market.... hmmm.... I'd say around $5,000

    I'm figuring that he isn't getting much exposure on a wide scale, however local people who have seen him and his get ARE breeding to him. To me, that says a lot about his get being valuable to their owners. That's not chopped liver. With greater advertising and exposure he could be a very worthwhile proposition.



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    [QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara in TN View Post

    lol.... hmmmm quite abit of truth to that comment Couldn't have said it better
    you are all three pretty funny....my point was a stallion who has no offspring (either of note or at all) attributed to him, is a male horse with testicles still attached and not a "stallion" in the useful breeding sense of the word and he certainly cannot be priced as one...

    not that he is not useful as a riding horse or a pet or that someone really really loves him...none of the above...and he could be priced that way as well...but as a breeding stallion not so much...

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    Can I play even though I know nothing about the pony market?

    I would say that since neither he or his babies are known to anybody but the locals, and apparently none of them have gone on to be superstars, he'd be worth about $1000. But I could see somebody paying a lot of money for him if he was marketed correctly and that somebody thought they were going to make a killing standing him at stud or making pony babies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pwynnnorman View Post
    Throws outstanding movement, at least in amongst a small set of known babies who happen to live nearby. Everyone has great temperament.
    Why are he and his offspring unheard of? I'd think, if he's throwing great movement, great temperment, SOMEONE would have heard of the offspring by now? Doesn't quite add up.

    Too many unknowns to make a guess, but I'd go with a range of $250 to $25,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriesianX View Post
    Why are he and his offspring unheard of? I'd think, if he's throwing great movement, great temperment, SOMEONE would have heard of the offspring by now? Doesn't quite add up.

    sure it does...Welsh mountain ponies and sections B's and low moving section C's have been ground up as fodder for the hunter pony machine since the 1960's....papers are "lost" to protect the local re-sellers "source"...papers are "lost" to allow ponies to transfer into other geographic areas...

    Welsh of all sections are being lost into the Great Sport Pony Movement where WB movement can get your papers "lost" esp once you are "approved" to be someone else...

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    I'm afraid I agree with not much right now.

    There was a local person around here years ago who was giving away free breedings to people with mares she liked in order to get some babies on the ground for her full Swedish Warmblood stallion, and he was drop dead gorgeous. And she had to work hard at it.

    In the end he threw so/so babies. Just goes to show you never know.



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    Not worth a whole lot. If his get aren't out there being identified as his, where's the credit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwynnnorman View Post
    No offense (can't be--he ain't mine!) at lowballs.
    Is that a treatable condition for a pony stallion?



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    Like broodmares, I get offers of stallions all the time. Giveaways. I love my boys, but I sure dont need another, especially one that has no offspring to brag about. So, my offer on him would be ZERO. Hope I am not offending anyone connected to this non-named stallion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara in TN View Post
    sure it does...Welsh mountain ponies and sections B's and low moving section C's have been ground up as fodder for the hunter pony machine since the 1960's....papers are "lost" to protect the local re-sellers "source"...papers are "lost" to allow ponies to transfer into other geographic areas...

    Welsh of all sections are being lost into the Great Sport Pony Movement where WB movement can get your papers "lost" esp once you are "approved" to be someone else...

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    That's weird, I've always heard that welsh ponies were the best of the best (for pony hunters). And that people would lose their arab papers, not welsh papers.
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    I definitely don't agree that the gorgeous Welsh B movement is being lost to anything.

    Especially any "sport" catch-all.
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